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1 posted on 05/05/2013 10:11:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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In fact, if we’re ever going to be serious about trying to stop this mass butchery that we endure every few months, they cannot.

Amazing that he doesn't equate the "absolute right" that the left swears is in the Constitution - that absolute right of "abortion at any time for any reason" to mass butchery. Why isn't he up in arms to stop the true "MASS BUTCHERY" Oh how the left deludes itself on rights.

55 posted on 05/06/2013 6:53:44 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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I'm going to have to side with historical materials on this one. Such records clearly indicate that that our constitutional rights were never intended to be absolute.

More specifically, writings about James Madison, Thomas jefferson, Justice John Marshall and John Bingham, the main author of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, all clearly indicate that our enumerated constitutional freedoms were originally not intended to be absolute. This is for the simple reason that the Founding States had decided that prohibitions of "government" power in the Bill of Rights did not apply to the states. In fact, its not necessarily inappropriate to refer to the 13 original states as the 13 original nanny states.

Note, for example, that regardless what FDR's activist, anti-religious expression justices wanted everybody to think about "atheist" Thomas Jefferson's "wall of separation" where the 1st Amendment's Establishment Clause is concerned, the real Thomas Jefferson had clarified the following. Jefferson had written that the Founders had made the 10th Amendment to clarifiy that the states had reserved government power to regulate our 1st Amendment protected rights to the states regardless that the Founders had made the 1st Amendment to clarify that they had prohibited such powers to Congress altogether.

"3. Resolved that it is true as a general principle and is also expressly declared by one of the amendments to the constitution that ‘the powers not delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively or to the people’: and that no power over the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, or freedom of the press being delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, all lawful powers respecting the same did of right remain, & were reserved, to the states or the people: that thus was manifested their determination to retain to themselves the right of judging how far the licentiousness of speech and of the press may be abridged without lessening their useful freedom, and how far those abuses which cannot be separated from their use should be tolerated rather than the use be destroyed (emphasis added); …" --Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions, 1798.

But to be honest, regardless that the nanny states seemingly had the power to regulate civilian arms since the 2nd Amendment evidently didn't apply to them, and I need to research this issue more, state lawmakers in the 18th and 19th centuries undoubtedly understood the need for pioneering families to be able to protect themselves with guns.

61 posted on 05/06/2013 9:26:59 AM PDT by Amendment10
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As usual, our proggy does his best to frame the question using the term "absolute". Certainly each of the amendments within the Bill of Rights has had attempts to modify it (with, as the author points out, the possible exception of the Third) but it does not follow that any of those modifications is a good thing, most obviously the Fourth and Fifth - is he actually in favor of no-knock, no-warrant raids or the government seizing property without compensation? If those are "bad" modifications, how are we to assume that modifying the Second would be any better?

There was, after all, a long-term effort involving considerable legalistic gymnastics to justify denying a citizen the right to vote on the basis of the color of his skin. That right wasn't absolute either. How comfortable is the author with denying that one?

This silly, actually. What is irking the proggies is that they can't have their way by simply redefining the words that make up the Constitution. The author is hoping for a new Supreme Court that will do that for him, best accomplished by 0bama or Hillary rubbing the noses of his class enemies in it. He thinks that will be sweet. He is likely to be disappointed.

70 posted on 05/06/2013 1:34:25 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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