Posted on 04/13/2013 4:31:14 AM PDT by LD Jackson
Somebody bring this jackass up to date ~ it isn't our systems that have a problem it's people with problems!
After they debate the bill, can they filibuster it?
sorry pal,
if the government controls a list, it also controls who or what goes on that list.....
they will define mental illness, they will define felons, they will define al quida, they will define rapists and terrorists...
catholics, protestants, ex military, conservatives are among those that have been labeled potential terrorists...
the feds create a law to create a whole new class of felons out of thin air...
a person tells the cops that their spouse threatened them ( real or made up ) you are guilty without trial of spousal abuse....
serve in the military, well, you have post traumatic stress, therefore you are mentally damaged, therefore you are on the list...
coburn, take your totaltarian anti constitution crap and down the road and spew it to someone else..
you are the definition of nanny stater..
Come on Coburn. You’re guilty of vacillation on this issue. Why not stand up and make some noise against the gun grabbers and show that you stand in the front rank against this attack on our Second Amendment?
If the problem is illegal aliens or felons with firearms then make it a crime for an illegal alien or felon to possess a gun, and then lock them up. But don't pretend that you're doing anything but infringing on the right of law abiding citizens to exercise their 2A rights.
Coburn, you are a lying POS nanny stater.
I'm pretty much convinced that the fix is in and RINOs are going to cave. Sadly, I think I'm done with the Republican party and this country. I am glad I am not a young man.
His justification? A TSA style list. Tens of thousands of innocent people have been flagged by the TSA No Fly List! All it takes is to have a similar name to someone else on the list. It is a complete disaster.
But the lying scum-sucking bottom feeding degenerate weasel knows that a plain list TSA version of the bill will never survive muster. A more onerous one will pass the senate. He needs gun owners to express their feelings and not be as kind as I have been to him.
I won’t spill the vitriol that others are, but I will say that Coburn is being naive to think that such systems will be honestly brokered by our government bureaurats. Blitheringly naive.
“...allow someone to go online for free and print out a pass that proves they are not on the NICS list.”
Ignoring the likelihood of fake passes, I’m a bit more concerned with who determines the criteria for being placed on the NICS list in the first place.
Other legislation has proposed NURSES can have you added!!!
Imagine if they don’t like your attitude about not answering gun questions on your health history questionnaire!!!!
You can parse it in any terms that you please, but the pure unvarnished truth is; Coburn turned his coat.
Coburn may think himself honorable.
But he doesn’t know (? after how many years in DC) the opponents don’t play by the rules.
Fail (on the explanation).
Nope. After debate, they vote. 51 or less, it passes[the less than 51 kicks in if only a minimum of Senators in attendance at vote time [a qurom].50-50- The Vice President casts the deciding vote and Biden is the Vice President. So... And do not be fooled the “Democrats from “Red States” will vot against it in fear of not being re-elected. A Democrat is a Democrat and there are more Democrats than Republicans in the Senate. In fact, as the clother vote demonestrated, there are a good number of Democrats masquerading as Republicans ,in my opinion, traitors to the Constitution. But thatis only my opinion.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!! Preach it Brother!!
My thoughts, including the House.
The proposal I will offer, on the other hand, would create a consumer portal that would allow someone to go online for free and print out a pass that proves they are not on the NICS list. Law abiding citizens won’t be treated as guilty until proven innocent...
Finally, my bill will allow people who already have a concealed carry permit to buy a gun without taking additional steps, and it will give states the right to come up with their own ways to declare that someone isn’t on the NICS list.
The method he proposes in the first part above is exactly having to prove you are innocent and merely moves the operation of NICS out to the population rather than just with the FFLs. As another poster noted, the government's skill with list accuracy is notably lacking when considering the TSA "no-fly" fiascoes and delayed firearms sales to citizens that have names that are similar to those on "The List".
The second part is actually good practice for FTF sales now. Some states' CCW system allows for this in retail gun store sales but the OK license does not pass muster with the BATFE for some obscure reason. It would be nice to level that playing field but I'm not willing to compromise on expanding government power in order to get it.
I'd further point out that his proposal makes no change that addresses the root cause(s) in any of the recent tragic events. Perfect safety and security cannot be achieved in a society with real freedom, IMO. The scales have to be balanced to ensure the rights of citizens to realize the condition described in the 4th Amendment of being secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, not just against government but from those seeking to cause harm.
Approved individual trigger unlocking devices (ITUDs) in your approved firearms will match your chip. We'll be safe from gun violence at last!
That will mean a suspension of due process just for a start. The government already wants to waive HIPPA privacy so people with diagnoses, not probable cause but simply a diagnosed condition, should be controlled by government. Coburn having once been a doctor should be sensitive to the abuse that would follow from his compromise.
I’ll agree that Coburn has had his good points, but voting on whether we will be permitted to keep our fundamental human rights is not in any way acceptable. Coburn has no more say on that question than Reid, Obama, BATFE, or the United States military. As the US Army proved in 1861-1865, they do have a say on whether we keep our freedom and even our lives, but our rights were granted by God, and on that question we do not answer to a lower power and especially not to the lowest power of all, those following God’s Adversary.
Which is exactly what I thought, and ironic at the same time - since he seemed to know 12 years ago that being in Washington too long was a problem in and of itself - and to his credit - is not running for a third term. (of course, the Senate was supposed to be the long time body, and the House was supposed to turn over rapidly, and the reverse has happened, but that's another issue).
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