Posted on 12/20/2012 9:57:55 AM PST by servo1969
Meet me by the bicycle rack after school!!
Just kidding. I think you are looking at the wrong thing. In this case, the numbers don't tell the story; in fact, they provide misleading information.
Israel is surrounded by enemies who are constantly trying to destroy anything they can and kill as many people as they can. That's a bit different than the US who's enemies, for the most part, are separated by oceans or thousands of miles of land.
If we take the event that triggered this debate, the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary, and we envision Connecticut not as a state in the United States, but as a sovereign nation surrounded by other sovereign nations that may be hostile to it, does that change the picture for you?
IMO, if we take the cut and dry numbers you calculated to provide another number for the solution, we ignore the fact that those numbers represent a person. People are unpredictable. On any given day, Egypt, Hamas, Lebanon, Syria, or Jordan may, individually or collectively decide to launch an attack against Israel. That's NOT the same thing as a lone, mentally disturbed individual launching an attack against small children in an unarmed school.
So, I believe that the comparison between 8 children murdered in school in the past 10 years versus 323 children murdered in school speaks volumes about having armed teachers.
Thanks. I will look at the 1996 law.
The kid that did the shooting wasn’t an enemy of anyone, was he? I think that Israel just has different kids than we do in the US, as do a lot of countries.
There is a vast difference, here. I don't know if you were intending to be factious or not, but I think we need to explore the sociological issues involved.
Israeli children grow up with the threat of random violence every single day. That's very similar top the children in the 50s and 60s who grew up during the Cold War, knowing that war could break out at any moment between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. Israeli children, as the result of Israel being founded primarily as a religious state, grow up surrounded by religion, God, prayer and an awareness of the religious history of Israel.
Most American kids have no clue what that environment is like. They don't have the fear of an attack at any moment. They haven't necessarily lost friends and classmates to this kind of violence. But, they HAVE been raised in an environment in which God and religion have been under steady attack from the left - INCLUDING the schools!
So, IMO, what we are seeing in America is a vastly different situation than that of Israel and to make a comparison on that basis is unfair.
When we analyze the rash of shootings that have occurred this year alone, we find that they are perpetrated by people who are mentally disturbed or are unable to perform any sort of critical thinking because the schools don't like it when the students can outthink the teachers. And, the demand by the ACLU and other liberal organizations to "mainstream" kids who have mental or emotional issues is not helping those troubled kids. In many cases, mainstreaming only aggravates the situation because the troubled kid may be isolated or teased by his/her "normal" classmates.
To make a long story just a touch longer, the comparison between Israeli kids and American kids is not an apples to apples one, it is an apples to lettuce one.
I grew up in the 50&60’s, there was no violence and the cold war was nothing like what Israeli kids experience.
Of course it’s different. That’s why statistics for Israel can’t be used.
I don't know for sure but thought all such "weapons" were forbidden in schools.
I don’t see why. I doubt they have purse inspections for 40yo 3rd grade teachers.
Adam Lanza was 20, not a kid. But, the issue is that HE wasn't an enemy of anyone, he considered those children and that school to be HIS enemy.
It's not a matter of playing word games, it is a matter of perception. Adam's mother voluteered at the school and spent a fair amount of time with those kids. Adam had been home schooled from about the 8th or 9th grade (I think), but saw his mother constantly going to Sandy Hook to volunteer her time with those children.
As a result, Adam didn't believe that his mother was spending as much time with him as he needed her to. This caused an anger to build in him toward a building and its occupants. He wasn't going after anyone in particular at the school, he was trying to kill a THING that he believed was robbing him of his mother's love. Those children and teachers simply became the faces of the thing he was trying to kill. This is how a mentally disturbed person sees these types of situations.
When we compare that to what is happening in Israel, the Arabs surrounding Israel are trying to destroy Israel and everything that represents or is a face of Israel to them. This includes destroying Judaism which, for the most part, goes hand in hand with Israel. So, we can see a parallel between Adam Lanza and the Arabs because both are trying to eradicate something that the believe represents a threat to them. Adam believed that the kids were a threat to his mother's love for him, the Arabs believe that Israel is a threat to their security (when the truth is the exact opposite - but don't ever try to confuse an Arab with facts!). Israel, in essence then, represents a THING to the Arabs that must be destroyed just as The school and its occupants represented a THING that Adam Lanza needed to destroy to regain his mother's love.
Every Marine I know — and that’s quite a few — never takes just a brain to a potential gunfight!
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