Lesson of Colorado: Ignore Victim Disarmament Zones and pack concealed anyway.

Sipsey Street Irregulars ^ | 20 July, 2012 | Mike Vanderboegh

[marktwain]

The country has moved beyond the idea that disarming the innocent will protect them.

[cripplecreek]

the Secret Service protective detail would have put several bullets through the facepiece of the moke's gas mask -- end of story.

Hell he would have never gotten near the building.

[edcoil]

What is interesting is the “fight or flight” response of the masses today. Had 20 rushed him it would have been over but it sounds like everyone ran.

[Delta 21]

That will work until we have to pass thru a metal detector just to get into the movies.

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

The libs cannot comprehend that law enforcement is only effective after a crime has been committed. If you find yourself in the middle of a crime you can only rely on me, myself and I.

[liberalh8ter]

Good idea. Here's another idea........instead of risking law enforcement officers to dismantle the booby traps in this lunatic's apartment, get all valuables from neighboring units, move law enforcement to a block away and send him in to do it.

[M Kehoe]

In mho, even if someone were carrying concealed in the theater it would have been difficult (to say the least) to bring down the mass murderer.

It was dark, he was wearing black and a ballistic vest, CS gas makes you cry, and people were running in a panic.

I've trained in tactical situations, and I would not be very confident in bringing the perp down.

5.56mm

[umgud]

These mass shootings are all done by mentally imbalanced people, but all of them are sane enough to commit their deeds in no-gun zones.

[Mathews]

But I would have given my life trying to protect the others...

[firebasecody]

I hear you. However, if it was clear that more people were going to get shot, including myself, it would be worth the extra risk to bring him down. Aim for what is not protected.

[Bryanw92]

>>I’ve trained in tactical situations, and I would not be very confident in bringing the perp down.

What’s your confidence level for bringing him down if you are not armed? Most people aren’t saying that a guy with a Kel-Tec or J-frame should go charging up to a guy with an assault rifle. But, when you find yourself cornered by the press of the crowd on one side and the armed nutjob on the other, that little pocket gun is at least a chance to survive.

[FatherofFive]

I've trained in tactical situations, and I would not be very confident in bringing the perp down.

And think of the lawsuits against you if one of your shots hit someone.

What was amazing to me is that nobody tried to jump him. They were so close. Just one person jump on him, and others would follow.

We need a "Let's Roll!" attitude in facing evil.

[TigersEye]

In mho, even if someone were carrying concealed in the theater it would have been difficult (to say the least) to bring down the mass murderer.

I defer to your training in that assessment and take it at face value as accurate. But the difference between being armed and being unarmed is the difference between difficult and near impossible.

[PowderMonkey]

"What is interesting is the “fight or flight” response of the masses today. Had 20 rushed him it would have been over but it sounds like everyone ran."

I'd venture to say most were simply frozen with fear. I watched the images of the crowd emerging from the theater. Most were not even prepared to run. Like my daughter who attended a similar showing of Batman here that same evening with her gaggle of friends. They went to the theater in flip-flops, pajama shorts, and carrying only car keys and cell phones. Like they just rolled straight out of bed. Many probably had. A night at the movies. What could go wrong?

[going hot]

In a group of dehorned steer i was watching, one seemed to be the boss. He had more space, ate what he wished. He had a small stubble of horn, more than the others, and used it to get his way.

Sharp claws are better than soft paws, knives are bettrer than knuckles, and a pistol is better than either.

Don't know how it would turn out with one, but you do know how it turns out without one.

ps, body armor is nice, but still hurts like hell and sets one back to catch a fat round center of mass.

[mazda77]

"That will work until we have to pass thru a metal detector just to get into the movies."

That would not had affected this situation. The theater did not secure the exit doors by either passive or active monitoring of their use. Security measures exist to monitor or alarm these doors as well as the software to indicate an out of normal opening or closing of these doors. As far as the taping over the strike, additional measures such as magnetic latches would also have prevented this from happening. The theater owners are in deep legal trouble on this.

[KrisKrinkle]

I believer the applicable words are “Close with and destroy the enemy” and maybe “If you’re going to go down, take them down with you”.

Of course I’m writing that as an overage, armchair Rambo sitting at a computer.

Could I have actually done it or tried it? I don’t know since I’ve never been in the situation. I hope I’ll never have to find out.

[Colofornian]

...instead of risking law enforcement officers to dismantle the booby traps in this lunatic's apartment, get all valuables from neighboring units, move law enforcement to a block away and send him in to do it.

(Yeah...that'll do it...place more weapons of destruction @ his ready disposal /sarc)

[liberalh8ter]

Wrong....he rigged the place to kill whomever entered it. Let him fall victim to his own devices.

[Colofornian]

The theater did not secure the exit doors by either passive or active monitoring of their use. Security measures exist to monitor or alarm these doors as well as the software to indicate an out of normal opening or closing of these doors. As far as the taping over the strike, additional measures such as magnetic latches would also have prevented this from happening. The theater owners are in deep legal trouble on this.

Agreed.

While I hate placing the primary focus/"blame" on anybody other than the terrorists, the theater didn't even need to place security people directly @ the doors -- until an alarm would signal that a door's been propped open for "x" amount of time. I mean such an alarm makes financial sense alone (freeloaders getting in)