OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES

The Daily Pen ^ | July 18, 2012 | Dan Crosby

[Seizethecarp]

You don't need to be a retired CPA like me to know that a list of eligible dependent children on a tax return is not in any way a list of children in your legal custody, either sole or shared. All you need is an ex-wife to know that.

I don't know the 1973 HI state income tax code, but nationally states mostly mirror the federal rules for dependents, it they have an income tax.

If the child lives with you, as Maya did, she is pretty automatically an eligible dependent. If the child does not live with you, you typically must claim to have provided over 50% of the support for the child or have a court order awarding you the right to claim the child on your return because only one tax filer can claim the child (assert having provided over 50% of the support for the child).

On this 1973 HI return, Lolo and S. Ann are filing jointly and are claiming as a dependent only their daughter Maya who is living with them.

They are NOT admitting or declaring that S. Ann does not have custody of Barry, only that he is not living with them and they are not claiming him as a dependent.

I would expect that the Dunham grandparents claimed Barry on their return as a dependent child as he was living with them at the time.

My ex-wife and I passed a child back and forth several times and whoever had him got to claim him as a dependent but we had joint custody at all times.

Note, again, that in the divorce decree, one child of the marriage over age 18 (unnamed) is listed for Lolo and Stanley Ann. In documents on the record that I have seen there was no loss of custody of Barry by her at any time before age 18.

Something mysterious happened with BHO Sr. in 1971, probably pertaining to Barry's Kenyan potential dual citizenship in the newly founded independent nation and possible rights and benefits for Barry. After all, BHO Sr. got financial aid for study in the US as a Kenyan student. That 1971 visit might not have had anything to do with custody, but only with preserving/validating Kenyan citizenship...possibly based on birth in Kenya. Stanley Ann was keen on Barry's future education and did place him in the most prestigious school in HI with the help of grandma.

[bluecat6]

There is not a chapter in Dreams about this?

Of course not.

The media has not investigated this period of Obama’s life?

Of course not.

We documented (real or unreal) periods with these names

1961-1967 - Barack Obama
1967 - 1971 - Barry Soetoro
1975 - 1980 - Barry Obama
1981 - Present - Barack Obama

Yet nothing official that documents the legal and formal transition from one name (identity) to another.

By getting ‘back to the beginning’ does that make the other 2 periods null and void with no documentation?

As Einstein once said - “God abhors a vacuum”. So should the American people.

[Fred Nerks]

I posted some information. I don’t give a flying pig what you and your ex-wife did with your children. Yours is not the last word on every issue. The document stands as it is.

[Fred Nerks]

...Yet nothing official that documents the legal and formal transition from one name (identity) to another.

And with a BC that appears to be a fake, you can't be sure what name he started out with, either.

[Fred Nerks]

Looking at your year-dates:

1961-1967 - Barack Obama

What transpired during that period? We first see him sitting next to a slightly older darker child, then with Stanley Ann Dunham when he is about 2+ years of age, we see his name on a divorce that was granted in March 1964, there is one image of him in a group of kindergarten children, supposedly from 1966...but if SAD provided a birth certificate when she applied for the divorce, we did not see it. Which begs the question, if SAD did provide a BC to prove his ID when she was ultimately given custody March 20, 1964, why the need to forge a BC NOW?

1967 - 1971 - Barry Soetoro

The only thing I ever saw with that name on it is the enrollment at the school in Indonesia. Just how genuine is it? SAD has custody, she married someone named Soetoro, he becomes the stepfather. Thus you have Barry Soetoro. Does that tell you who he is?

1975 - 1980 - Barry Obama

That’s the name on the various school yearbook photographs.

1981 - Present - Barack Obama

So it seems he didn’t call himself by the present name until the eighties?

[Fred Nerks]

Some images from the first ten years:

[Seizethecarp]

On the record, the child in the upper right is Barry’s half-brother David Obama, circa 1970, NOT Barry, according David’s brother Mark who placed the photo on his website for a time. Mark is the “dark boy” in the photo according to Mark.

IMO, the strong resemblance between Barry and his half brother provides support that the father they shared on the legal record is actually their biological father as well.

Ad hominem attacks cannot refute sound, modest analysis which does not overstate evidence.

[bluecat6]

Agree on all the points.

I am just going off of ‘accepted names’ or where at least some sort of official document (fraud or not) has been shown, even if the reliability is in question (which most is!).

1961 - BCs (COLB and LFBC). Though these are known frauds they are the material at hand.
1964 - SAD/BHO divorce papers do explicitly state child is “Barack Hussein Obama, II” and give birth date of August 4, 1961.
1968 August - SAD US passport update removes “Barack Hussein Obama” (no II).

1968 January - School document with “Barry Soetoro”. Notice that no other Indonesian records have come forward.

1969 photo with Scott Inoue - Handwritten “Barry”

All the high school information says “Barry Obama”. But it is all photos and yearbooks. Not real records.

And finally at Oxy we get ‘no more Barry’ and Barack Obama re-emerges.

Now we all go by nicknames. Barry for Barack. OK - that can make sense.

But what ‘formal identity’ and associated citizenship was used between March 1965 (Marriage of Lolo to SAD) and ... now...

Obama was on his mother passport - till August of 1968....and afterward??? What passport did he use? US or Indonesian? Or Kenyan? How were formal records filled out name wise. Josephs become Joeys on the playground...but not in formal school or government documents.

And given the international background these formal identities had to be tied to citizenships.

Barry Soetoro - that was an indonesian name that was apparently being used in Inodnesia. What formally happened to it? Retired? Changed up immigration to the US? Change by order of the court?

So the real list (so far) is this:

Barack Hussein Obama II (1961-1964 BCs, divorce document)
Barack Hussein Obama (1968 SAD passport removal)
Barry Soetoro (January 1968 school document)
Barry (1969 photo)
Barry Obama (high school picture)
Barack Hussein Obama (Adult life)

A lot of name changes for anyone. But what officially happeened at the key junctures?

I am not claiming to know this person. In fact, the unknowns far outweigh the knowns. And there is nothing in formal document that captures the transition from one to the other.

I gut feel on Indonesia is that mother was trying to do the ‘dual citizen’ thing even though that is against the law in Indonesia. Maybe she got caught or maybe the logistics were too complex. But the 1968 update was ONLY to remove BHO from the passport. Could a kid be trusted to lie to Indonesian officials or to show the correct passport at the correct entry point if he had 2 passports? Probably not. Barry needed to terminate his American citizenship and even then he or the family may have run into issues that caused a situation where he HAD to disconnect completely from Indonesia. All speculation. But something triggered the 1971 event.

So that is it for tonight. Take care.

[little jeremiah]

Money quote:

Which begs the question, if SAD did provide a BC to prove his ID when she was ultimately given custody March 20, 1964, why the need to forge a BC NOW?

[Fred Nerks]

...IMO, the strong resemblance between Barry and his half brother provides support that the father they shared on the legal record is actually their biological father as well.

Show me the 'legal record'. And allow me to remind you again, I am not interested in your personal opinion, I have personal opinions of my own. And impo there is no 'David' there never has been a 'David' - there is only one photograph of a teenage boy with one black arm and one white arm, and no one who has taken the trouble to look for him has ever been able to find a 'David' WHO LOOKS LIKE A TWIN OF ZERO.

Why don't you for ONCE supply something new, provide some research results with sources, instead of following me like a bad smell with the obvious intention of cutting off any questions I might wish to ask?

Just what do you mean by 'ON THE RECORD' anyway? We are ALL on 'the record' here, who the heck do you think you are? Overbearing, pedantic, full of yourself...I told you, don't address me, how many times?

[little jeremiah]

David's existence is merely the hearsay of one person who is far from disinterested.

[little jeremiah]

1968 August - SAD US passport update removes “Barack Hussein Obama” (no II).

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Isn’t that the document that has “Soebarkah” crossed off? So isn’t that the actual last name he was using at that time?

[thecodont]

Which begs the question, if SAD did provide a BC to prove his ID when she was ultimately given custody March 20, 1964, why the need to forge a BC NOW?

The scenario that's emerging for me is this:

BO is born in Kenya.

Underage, unwed mom Stanley provides him with statutory U.S. citizenship and this enables him to get a Hawaiian BC (under "secondary proof of U.S. citizenship" as described at travel.state.gov).

So therefore BO is a "citizen at birth" but only by statute.

Stanley marries Lolo Soetoro, goes to Indonesia, BO is sent back to Hawai'i in 1970.

For some reason there is a custody or citizenship issue and BO Sr. is escorted into and out of the picture to assist in this matter (1971).

BO effectively renounces U.S. citizenship by traveling under a foreign passport or applying for school aid as a foreigner.

BO waves his (statutory) U.S. citizenship papers to show eligibility for his Illinois Senate (earlier I'd said House, my error) and U.S. Senate bids. But, these documents are no longer legally valid because of things that have taken place since his birth.

BO campaigns for President, and now under scrutiny, needs to come up with a version or two of a birth certificate showing he was born on U.S. soil. He totally disregards the fact that his foreign national father renders him ineligible for the office.

It's a mess.

[little jeremiah]

Have you read the “Auntie” thread?

Assuming that the parentage told in “Dreams” is correct is taking the wrong tack. By looking at evidence, such as it is, without preconceptions about who his parents are, is the way to go.

[Seizethecarp]

David Obama had a mother, Ruth, who is still living and quite willing and able to attest that David was her son who appeared with her and his brother Mark in the family photo also circa 1970. I must get down to Barns and Noble to read Maraniss’ interview with her, the first and only interview given a reporter after Barry emerged as a politician. I expect that the topic of David might have been covered by Maraniss and Ruth.

[Fred Nerks]

Correct. The full name was shown including Soebarkah and Soebarkah was to be removed. Why anyone ever assumed there was a Soetoro adoption beats me...he would have had a stepfather on the strength of the divorce that gave her custody, when SAD married someone named Soetoro.
If he was adopted, I dare assume it may have been by a family named Soebarkah.

[Seizethecarp]

The record is, by your own admission, IIRC, that the photo of David, circa 1970, that you keep misrepresenting as being of Barry was obtained from Mark's website.

An honest researcher would state that they had questions as to the identity of the boy but would not spam every eligibility thread with misrepresentations and wild speculations.

The evidence in the FOIA INS files and now in the BNA files if the research in the article at the top of this thread is true, is that Stanley Ann is Barry's mom and she had him in Kenya when she went missing from HI in 1961.

You don't own Free Republic. I started this thread and I will address any comments made on it. I will address any comments on any other Free Republic thread unless JimRob says otherwise.

[Fred Nerks]

As I said, pedantic, overbearing, full of yourself, no one else is allowed to have an opinion. I don’t care what Mark captioned the image of the two little boys as, I go by what I see, and that little boy is zero, not the child of a Kenyan native Luo and Ruth Beatrice Baker.

Do everyone a favour. Ignore anything you don’t like, and let others make up their own minds.

[Fred Nerks]

Three images identified as Zero, one identified as 'David' - imo that's four times the same child, and I will not change my mind because it bothers some people.

[Seizethecarp]

ping...to significant update to the article at the top of the thread on 7/22 adding much more detail on the reference souce in text and also in a table (as best I can determine).

The new material is in a larger font, it appears...