How Arizona Could Get The Obama Administration To Cooperate On Illegal Immigration (pic)

The Looking Spoon ^ | 6-27-12 | The Looking Spoon

[Bobalu]

Arizona needs a nice wall on the border ;-)
So put em to work on building one.

Sheriff Joe could manage the details I’m sure.

[Tenacious 1]

You can't have it both ways. They can't have constitutional rights, and not be allowed habeus corpus, which is a constitutional right.

That was my point. I could have been clearer but failed in an arrogant attempt to be clever. The courts ruling essentially allows Arizona to check and arrest illegal immigrants but not to prosecute or deport.

Am I confused?

[Tenacious 1]

And enough troops who would obey “Fire on Citizens Order.”

I do not believe that. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Buckeye McFrog]

Start checking for immigration papers at DUI checkpoints.

Make the same Supreme Court which told you it was okay to stop legal US Citizens and search their vehicles and bloodstream for alcohol why you can’t search illegal non-citizens for their papers.

This case would give them legal indigestion and tie the entire court system in knots for the next thirteen years.

[Political Junkie Too]

Here is my theory on why Obama issued his order severing ties with Arizona after the Immigration ruling from SCOTUS:

I wonder if Obama won't help Arizona because he's afraid that Fast And Furious guns will eventually be found combing back across the border with an illegal alien. It's just a matter of time.

He doesn't want to step up illegal immigration enforcement because if they find a gun, everything would begin to unravel. He's using immigration as an excuse to look the other way on everything else.

-PJ

[Turbo Pig]

The problem is obvious: It doesn’t actually deal with the criminal, it just makes him someone else’s problem.

It's not really a problem, when there are people actively inviting illegals into their communities; also known as sanctuary cities.

Any state that wants to deal with captured illegals should do it this way. Capture and verify they are illegal. Seize all assets that the state can legally seize from them, and place the rest into storage; billing the individual. Setup a one way ticket; with a bag lunch, a juice box and $20 or whatever a parolee of the state would receive on release, to the nearest sanctuary city, out side the state. Drive them there, dump them off and bring the bus back for another load.

If the liberals want to stand there with open arms, they should get as many illegals as can be captured and transported.

[Tenacious 1]

True, they do have bigger toy’z, but guerrilla warfare can create quite the headache.

Agreed. For the foreseeable future, this nation will not be taken over by force. There are too many of us that would still give our lives for the freedom our ancestors and forefathers fought for. And by the way, most of us are armed and some of those are capable of arming the rest of us.

[Cyber Liberty]

It wouldn’t take a lot to do the job...but that’s just my opinion, as you say. It’ll never happen anyway.

[FortWorthPatriot]

"And enough troops who would obey “Fire on Citizens Order.”"

As an American, I respect the fact that everyone has their opinion. I really, really do.

But as a former Marine I am getting very sick and tired of hearing this bullshit. There is no way in hell a majority of the U.S. armed forces would blindly obey an unlawful order to either disarm, intern, or shoot American citizens. It is a patently false claim with absolutely no factual evidence supporting it, other than a fevered, paranoid, conspiratorially-addled mind.

To utter such idiotic drivel is to presume that every single man and woman who volunteered to serve in our military are all heartless, uncaring, unlawful, unemotional, unpatriotic and morally or spiritually apathetic robots. Blanket statements like this are a direct insult to each and every one of them presently serving or who have served at some point in their lives during the past 200+ years.

Take your anti-military crap, shove it up your ass sideways, and then crawl back under your rock. Once under there, start pounding sand.

[WMarshal]

US Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Arizona could declare itself under invasion from Mexico, and file an appeal to the Supremes for a Writ of Mandamus to order the Obama administration to enforce the law."

Absolutely! Have you sent this to her office?

[JesusIsLord]

Presidents like Barack Husein Obama who choose not to uphold the Constitution and law of the land are liable for IMPEACHMENT not law suit. Unfortunately, we have a congress that has allowed many presidents, G.W. Bush and others included, to bypass the constitution and rule by fiat aka executive orders. Our republic is suffering because we have congresses who fail to investigate, impeach and/or have prosecuted - lawless presidents, congressmen & judges. “Lawless” here simply means: failure to uphold the constitution and laws of the land. Presidents and judges who create laws SHOULD BE IMPEACHED. Congressmen who allow presidents and judges to make laws - SHOULD BE IMPEACHED. The greatest threat to the nation has been apathetic congresses who wouldn’t know the constitution if it hit them where the sun don’t shine. We are being rules by those who have no regard for the constitution.

[Melas]

It's not really a problem, when there are people actively inviting illegals into their communities; also known as sanctuary cities.

I was referring more the practice of dumping, rather than how it applies specifically to this situation with immigrants.

Any state that wants to deal with captured illegals should do it this way. Capture and verify they are illegal. Seize all assets that the state can legally seize from them, and place the rest into storage; billing the individual. Setup a one way ticket; with a bag lunch, a juice box and $20 or whatever a parolee of the state would receive on release, to the nearest sanctuary city, out side the state. Drive them there, dump them off and bring the bus back for another load.

I can't even fathom how this makes sense to you, so no real point in discussing it further.

[Cyber Liberty]

Are you finished with your bullshit rant? Because if you are, I might clarify that I never said “most.” But since your head is so far up your ass (sideways), you are too irrational to read. So I will refrain from bothering.

Hoorah, lil’ dickhead.

[Jean S]

Well said, and I am very grateful for your service to our country. Thank you.

[JesusIsLord]

I would like to believe that all the men and women in our armed forces have the ability to discern which commands to obey vs. which not to obey. However, I think this is expecting too much of soldiers who are trained to trust their commander. It’s a “rare” soldier who is willing to suffer court martial for disobeying a direct order. What will soldiers do when they are convinced by their commander that what they’re doing is the right thing to do? Will they fire on citizens who they’ve been told are subversive and/or dangerous? Will they be able to discern good citizens from the so-called dangerous? How will they do this? Would U.S. soldiers, presumably National Guard, fire on U.S. civilians? A look back at the civil unrest of the 60’s will give us a clue to the answer.

[Cyber Liberty]

That wasn’t “good,” it was a BS-filled rant. I never said “most.” In fact I later said it would only take a few miscreants to kill a lot of citizens.

But go ahead and join your little friend and pile on this old FReeper.

[FortWorthPatriot]

"Because if you are, I might clarify that I never said “most.”"

Okay genius let's do some elementary math here. The 2011 estimated U.S. population was 311,591,917 Americans. The total estimated number of military personnel in the U.S. (all branches, active and reserve) is 2,533,863, which is 0.82% of the total population.

So subtract those Americans in the military from the total American population. Now you have approximately 309,058,054 "civilians" remaining that the 2,533,863 members of the military would be up against if such orders were issued.

You said there were "enough troops" who would obey such an order to shoot civilians. Given that our military personnel are overwhelming outnumbered by civilians 123 to 1, in order for there to be "enough troops" nearly all (i.e., "most") of them would have to be willing to shoot their fellow American, and even if that number were at 100% it still wouldn't be enough.

In any event, by stating that there are "enough troops" willing to shoot civilians implies that most of our military would do that, which is a lie.

Oorah, big dickhead.

[Turbo Pig]

I can't even fathom how this makes sense to you, so no real point in discussing it further.

It's simple. Thanks to the liberals in this country, there are two America's now, and they are headed on an unstoppable collision course. The only reason the country is in the mess its in is because Conservatives have been playing Mr. Nice guy, and have protected the libs from themselves.

Well, I say it's time to stop. In fact, I say it's time to help them reach the liberal nirvana they are looking for. Libs want illegals in their cities and states; let's do all we can to fill 'em to the brim. Libs want draconian regulations in their cities and states, let 'em have them; drive those businesses out.

Conservatives need to move out of areas dominated by libs, and shold erect ideological barricades around them, so that the madness that infects them doesn't spread any further than it has. When reality comes crashing down on the sane people that are left; things will truly change. The recent doings in WI are a prime example.

When faced with the reality of what liberalism does to a city/state/country, and led by a leader with convictions, a majority of people in this country will choose to roll back, or completely eliminate liberal polices and trends.

I don't know about the legality of my idea; I will admit it is harsh, though. Realistically, it's a heck of a lot nicer than US citizens get treated in countries around the world all the time.

Simple fact is that if we don't start acting like a-holes towards liberals now; and I mean real tough love type of actions, then we as a people are going to be killing each other in another Civil War that will make the first one look like child's play. To be honest, I'm not even 100% sure if that is avoidable as it is.