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Why Are Conservatives So Shocked At Ryan and Rubio? The Evidence Was There All Along
PolitiJim.com ^ | 3-31-2012 | PolitiJim (@politiJim)

Posted on 03/31/2012 2:12:56 PM PDT by rightjb

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To: humblegunner

LOL!


41 posted on 03/31/2012 6:40:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: Zhang Fei

And wasn’t Reggie Bush formerly the President of the great state of Florida? :’D


42 posted on 03/31/2012 6:41:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: South Dakota

Nothing about the GOP shocks me anymore. It disappoints and disgusts me but it does not shock me.


43 posted on 03/31/2012 6:58:30 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: South Dakota
leave now..you're not needed
you demand 100% or nothing..stay home I will pick up your slack...taking voters to the polls...75 and going strong!
44 posted on 03/31/2012 7:30:21 PM PDT by southphilly (All States should be right to work States)
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To: Eva

I don’t see a state mandate as more dangerous. States can’t print money, so there is no risk of inflation distorting the economy from a state health care program. Of course if a state begins to oppress, people can trot across the border, as blacks did in response to FDR’s programs to deny sharecroppers jobs, and as people are doing in response to California taxes and joblessness. The natural competition between states should help state politicians steer their course, or at least help people steer clear of the more corrupt sort of politician.


45 posted on 04/01/2012 12:29:18 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: southphilly

Actually I am needed but I have been taken for granted. The republicans have become republicrats and they whine but they do nothing.

We continue to support them and they continue to lie to us


46 posted on 04/01/2012 4:56:22 AM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: donmeaker

The state mandate is more dangerous because it is legal and it brings the same amount of government intrusion into our daily lives.

Inflation is not the biggest threat of a state healthcare system. When the government takes over the 1/5 of the economy and places all those working in that 1/5 of the economy into the SEIU, giving them special benefits, not afforded to the rest of us, what do you think will happen.

That’s the goal of the state/federal partnership in healthcare, unionization of one fifth of the work force. Then add in the fact that they want to combine all the first responders into one federalized union and we get a police state all under the guise of “health care”.

The unconstitutionality of the federal mandate is an excuse for repealing the act, not the real reason. That is why Rick Santorum is the only candidate that has real creditability on repealing it.

You obviously have not read any of the bill or any of the articles about what was in the bill. It’s another form of redistribution, away from suburban Whites, to inner city minorities, away from seniors to youth. The motto of the government health care will be, “Aim for mediocrity,” it’s only fair.

You won’t have access to the best technology, if there is older technology which might suffice, like an x-ray vs a panograph, or even an MRI. You won’t have access to the newest cancer drugs if your prognosis is simply to prolong your life, not cure you, no matter how young you are, unless you are a member of a traditionally under-served minority, that is, and then there are special boards set up to make sure that you get whatever treatment is available. ...but you will get end of life counseling.


47 posted on 04/01/2012 8:12:30 AM PDT by Eva
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To: South Dakota

From a Machiavellian perspective, since view have a one party system now, should we now infiltrate the democrats? Just a thought...


48 posted on 04/01/2012 8:20:25 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donmeaker

People with good jobs cannot just pick up and move to another state. It’s not that simple.

We’ve been living in WA state for more than 20 years because we were transferred here.


49 posted on 04/01/2012 9:40:26 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

I read a bunch on the health care law.

Emergency rooms currently have a requirement to take care of everyone who shows up at their door.

Options are:
1 Federal repeal of that mandate.
2 Enslave healthcare workers by forcing them to work without pay.
3 Enslave people with insurance by jacking up their rates to pay for people without insurance.
4 Jack up tax rates to permit government to subsidize emergency rooms.
5 Have all emergency rooms go out of business.
6 Require insurance, or a penalty large enough to cover the cost of compensating for care for those without insurance.
Until 1 happens, 6 may be necessary to prevent 2, 3, 4, and 5.


50 posted on 04/01/2012 10:44:25 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

No, you have it all wrong. Socialized health care is not the answer to anything. It won’t reduce costs and will give the government an excuse to regulate every part of our lives. Nothing will be off limits. On top of that, government run health care would provide the Democrats with a guaranteed voter base which would be unstoppable.

Teachers’ unions have been bad enough because they controlled the politicians, but SEIU members are controlled by the politicians.

Just say no to RomneyCare and ObamaCare, if you like your freedom, the constitution and the capitalist system.


51 posted on 04/01/2012 11:18:28 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Romney didn’t put in socialized health care.

Rather, he put in a penalty to encourage participation in private risk pools, to prevent private risk pools from being forced to pick up the costs of federal “must treat” mandates.


52 posted on 04/02/2012 11:54:04 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Eva

Romney didn’t put in socialized health care.

Rather, he put in a penalty to encourage participation in private risk pools, to prevent private risk pools from being forced to pick up the costs of federal “must treat” mandates.


53 posted on 04/02/2012 11:54:33 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

Sorry for the double post.


54 posted on 04/02/2012 11:56:30 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Eva

Normally the people who can not move benefit from people at the margin who can.

When the government gets bad enough that people at the margin move, other people who are not at the margin, realize that something is wrong and vote the illegitimi out.

That doesn’t work where there is substantial corruption, so there are places (Detroit, and perhaps California and Chicago) where a hard landing is indicated.

It may be that a hard landing is preferable to a ‘Battle of Athens’ scenario. That depends on how hard the landing is, and how hard the battle.


55 posted on 04/02/2012 12:03:36 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Eva

I am not sure that the state mandate is more dangerous.

California, the largest state is about 10% of the country. If health care overall is 17% of the country, and is also 17% of california, then a California mandate would be 1.7% of the country.

1.7% is much smaller amount at risk than the 17% of the federal, and other states would be smaller yet. If there was an advantage to not having a mandate, some could leave for other states, and the bad effects in the early adopting states could save the later adopting states from ever adopting it.

It would be tough for the states that made a bad policy choice, but that is the breaks for self government. Sometimes bad choices are made, and there has to be a corrective action. Not all corrective action need be in the courts (for unconstitutional laws). Some occurs in private, as new technologies make old laws obsolete. Sometimes new legislation is needed to correct bad legislation.


56 posted on 04/02/2012 12:10:07 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

I think that you are on the wrong web site. Maybe yo Should try DU or the Huffinton Post. You don’ t seem to be able to grasp the concept that socialism and redistribution will destroy the constitution and Obamneycare gives th left the tools with which to do it.

It would be a tyranny of the elite over the regular people.


57 posted on 04/02/2012 3:16:11 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

I don’t think that people preparing for emergencies is socialism.


58 posted on 04/02/2012 9:36:09 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: upsdriver

” - - - GOP Establishment vs the people - - - “

What seems to happen, it seems safe to say,
Is that the old Campaign Pledges drift about in the wind,
The wind of politician flatulence.
The cost to win an election,
Is but a lie among former friends.

“Here now,” says The Whip, “Drink to Party Loyalty,
Or you will be on NO Committees, as I AM THE WHIP!”
Grown-up now, and drunk with gratitude,
The Newbies smile and say,
“We’ll do whatever you ask, but PLEASE just let us stay!”

Tolerate the voting masses,
Smile and wave on TV,
You’ll fit right in as a RINO,
As long as you ALWAYS Cave-In.


59 posted on 04/02/2012 10:06:28 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: donmeaker

LOL! You are quote a verbal contortionist.


60 posted on 04/03/2012 9:23:53 AM PDT by Eva
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