Posted on 02/26/2012 7:51:14 AM PST by Mountain Mary
I’m smack in the middle of Mitt country (NYC), and the best his most loyal backers attempt to defend him with is that the base will vote anyway, but independents and moderates who voted for Barry in 2008 and are turned off to him now could go for the socially moderate Romney, not for a socon firebreather like Santorum.
I think they’re both right and wrong. Santorum would be toast in a general IMO, but lots of conservative-leaning independents will sit at home IMO if/when Romney is the nominee.
Well you coming to all the Santorum threads and running your mouth is not helping Newt one bit. Perhaps if you would do something to help your candidate Newt he would have won more than 1 state by now.
All 3 candidates have a segment that will not vote for them. So we have to go with the person that has the least amount that will stay home and that is Santorum.
"Although all men are born free, slavery has been the general lot of the human race. Ignorant—they have been cheated; asleep—they have been surprised; divided—the yoke has been forced upon them. But what is the lesson? ... the people ought to be enlightened, to be awakened, to be united, that after establishing a government, they should watch over it ... It is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently free."
So-called "progressives" understand the "divided" part of Madison's cautionary words, but the rest of us seem to ignore the rest of Madison's statement.
Might it have something to do with our not having been "well-instructed" in the ideas of freedom?
Edmund Burke, in his 1775 "Speech on Conciliation," observed the following "spirit" in the founding generations:
"Permit me, Sir, to add another circumstance in our colonies, which contributes no mean part towards the growth and effect of this untractable spirit. I mean their education. In no country perhaps in the world is the law so general a study. The profession itself is numerous and powerful; and in most provinces it takes the lead. The greater number of the deputies sent to the congress were lawyers. But all who read, and most do read, endeavour to obtain some smattering in that science. I have been told by an eminent bookseller, that in no branch of his business, after tracts of popular devotion, were so many books as those on the law exported to the plantations. The colonists have now fallen into the way of printing them for their own use. I hear that they have sold nearly as many of Blackstone's Commentaries in America as in England. General Gage marks out this disposition very particularly in a letter on your table. He states, that all the people in his government are lawyers, or smatterers in law; and that in Boston they have been enabled, by successful chicane, wholly to evade many parts of one of your capital penal constitutions. The smartness of debate will say, that this knowledge ought to teach them more clearly the rights of legislature, their obligations to obedience, and the penalties of rebellion. All this is mighty well. But my honourable and learned friend on the floor, who condescends to mark what I say for animadversion, will disdain that ground. He has heard, as well as I, that when great honours and great emoluments do not win over this knowledge to the service of the state, it is a formidable adversary to government. If the spirit be not tamed and broken by these happy methods, it is stubborn and litigious. Abeunt studia in mores. This study renders men acute, inquisitive, dexterous, prompt in attack, ready in defence, full of resources. In other countries, the people, more simple, and of a less mercurial cast, judge of an ill principle in government only by an actual grievance; here they anticipate the evil, and judge of the pressure of the grievance by the badness of the principle. They augur misgovernment at a distance; and snuff the approach of tyranny in every tainted breeze." (Underlining added for emphasis)
Burke also declared to the Parliament that what he called the colonists' "fierce spirit of liberty" also must be attributed to their "religion," "under a variety of denominations agreeing in nothing but in the communion of the spirit of liberty."
I happen to disagree. I think the least amount that will stay home is Gingrich.
I just don’t see him (or, to be truthful, Santorum or Paul) getting the nomination at this point.
I wouldn’t underestimate Santorum against Obama. I think he’s sandbagging a bit. I’ve seen some of his debates against democrats in the senate and he doesn’t pull any punches when it counts.
To do so is blasphemy, I know! But then, your group of now, Santorum worshipers did their share of trashing Newt, so we are pretty much even.
All the “projections” and “absolutes” from the clairvoyant soothsayers on this forum, have all wound up with a direct lesson in the meaning of humility.
Newt Gingrich is every bit as capable and viable as any of the others.
About as classy as you are for posting that picture, Psycho Freep.
I hope so.
Santorum worshipers did their share of trashing Newt, so we are pretty much even.
Good. That is great. So we should not be seeing you on Santorum threads anymore and I will stay off Newt threads.....I have already started a long time ago. Now it is your turn since we are pretty much even in your own words.
I have noticed that your rhetoric has been so much more, shall we say, kind. You remain an excellent advocate for Santorum. I do not agree with you, but it is refreshing to have a civil conversation, isn’t it?
So in the spirit of civility, I asked this question a few days earlier but didn’t get much response. What will be the state of the race if Santorum LOSES in Michigan? (remember, we both want Romney to lose)
Thank you......Lent is a time to be civil and concentrate on sins which I have done and I have had made a lot on this site. I am trying to change my ways a day at a time.
As far as Santorum losing Michigan and Arizona, it would be a disaster and Romney would reignite his mojo going right into Super Tuesday and I think it will be over. Newt could get the nomination but I just don’t see how (maybe he has a better Idea how to make that happen).
they seem to forget t hat Obama just recently tried to impose his religious believe on the nation and the media didn’t even blink
Personally, I'm loving it. About time someone defended religion in this country. The press has worked overtime to banish any mention of God or church from public forums.
That kind of cowardice is not what made America great.
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