Posted on 02/23/2012 7:27:51 AM PST by publius321
* I revile Romney, I know what he did their and it was after I left.
* I don't think Rick has the chops for the job.
* At this point in the general, it is Newt or I write in Palin.
* With that said, I may hold my nose and vote for Rick to stop Mitt.
However, I don't see it stopping Rick and becoming an absolute pain for Newt. It maybe more important to stop Romney period...
Ugh what a mess...
I don’t ping blogs.
As I support both Santorum and Gingrich, I think you have provided an excellent idea.
Gingrich voters should give Michigan to Santorum
Santorum voters should give Georgia to Gingrich
etc
Romney is the one who must be stopped, if he wins here he will regain a huge swing of momentum going into super Tuesday, sucking it out of the Gingrich campaign. He can use it to show his "electability" meme.
It's my opinion that neither Newt nor Santorum can beat Romney's money alone. If one were to drop out, the other would be a sitting duck for his super-PAC money. Two of them will be much harder to thwart.
I'm suggesting you think about this a little harder before saying this is a bad approach..
Equals Brokered Convention, chaos, and an eventual Obama win. Game over! (Split the Conservative vote. It works without fail, every time.)
I still live in MA so I too know how worthless Romney was. I won’t vote for Romney under any circumstances.
The game now is strategic. To remove the preferred (by the powers that be) moderate nominee from the game.
Voting for Santorum will help to stop Mitt and prevent any further momentum. Were I in Michigan, that’s what I would do.
The idea is more important than inadvertently helping a blog pimp.
“Romney will easily take his campaign all the way to the Convention. The claim that we all need to get together and vote for Santorum, to later help Newt is a Trojan horse to defeat Newt. The subliminal message is that Santorum will gain ALL the momentum and Newt will fall even further. Which is your motive in the first place.”
Agreed, well said. Go Newt!
I get it. Mitt rather than Rick for you.
Interesting.
“So, since Newt hasn’t got a chance to win all the delegates in Michigan, you would rather give them to Mitt because you hate “sanctimonious” supporters of Santorum.
I get it. Mitt rather than Rick for you.
Interesting.”
Actually you dont get it.
I support Newt for president, not Santorum as a proxy. Whom I should remind you ran attack ads on Newt while Newt has never once done the same.
If Santorum is the wonder candidate, he wont need me to pretend to support him to beat Romney.
Actually, what you would be doing is helping to defeat Romney.......which I thought was the goal......and you're not willing to do it.
You're so concerned about not giving 'sanctimonious' Santorum supporters anything to crow about, that you're willing to let Romney win Michigan and give him momentum.
I get it very well, VanDeKoik. Very well.
You prefer Mitt to Rick, and you're not backing down. No need for further discussion.
Just asking: do you believe that a Romney win is better than a brokered convention?
Because Romney has Utah, California, Massachussetts, Arizona and New York in his back pocket. He’s already won Florida, New Hampshire, Nevada (and maybe Maine). He doesn’t have to win too many more swing states.
“You prefer Mitt to Rick, and you’re not backing down. No need for further discussion.”
Actually I dont prefer either.
And you can add Ron Paul and Obama to that list too least you trot that canard out as well.
Like I said, I dont trust Santorum to consider any help from Newt supporters as an alliance to defeat Romney ONLY, but to use as if it some sort of support for his bid.
He will do just that, keep the delegates won, and then we start to hear that Newt should leave the race because Santorum is the guy.
If others want to play that game with their vote, fine. They just better not act shocked when what I describe comes to pass.
I said, no need for further discussion. You’ve made your position very clear on this thread, and I guarantee that I’m not the only one who sees what it means.
Allowing Super Pacs is bad. They can project all sorts of lies, and not be held accountable. The Candidate they claim to represent has no control either. We can thank the stupidity of John McCain and Feingold for this mess. This is the result of CFR.
In regards to your approach, I stand by my reasons. They are well supported and founded through experience and internal research. I am one of those voters who does not blow with the wind. This season is the most I have ever varied in choices. I stated with Sarah Palin in 2009, but for the same reasons I cited above, I dropped support for any candidate for a while. My next interest became Rick Perry, but his poor performance changed my mind. Again, I stayed open for a while, until Newt caught my attention. It was also while I was looking for reasons not to like him, that I could not deny the facts that he was a good risk.
The debate performances is what iced my support for Newt. (Warts and all, especially the warts, because he has learned through the school of hard knocks.)
If everyone would have stayed true like I do, Newt would never have been taken down by Romney's Super Pac and Newt would easily be our candidate by now.
This flaky and impulsive chaos in this party is what will ruin us. I refuse to be a part of it. It's just that simple. Don't get me wrong, I respect your position and don't fault your outlook, it is simply not for me.
Unlike a lot of Newt supporters, I don't have that big a problem with Santorum, I just think Newt has a better capacity to paint a conservative future, is quicker with his debating skills, and has experienced fighting (often winning) with the left in a greater national battle.
I also believe (as stated earlier) that neither of them can stand against Romney and his minions alone. If one of them drops prematurely, then Romney will simply blow that one out of the water, right now he is wasting his capital early trying to take both of them out. If Mitt loses Michigan or Arizona, he will look more and more like a loser, and his financial backers will leave him, making him use his own fortune instead. That can only tactically help Newt, he still may not win, but it is his best chance IMHO.
I guess we'll know how this is going to play out, but I'm hoping that Santorum and Newt forge some kind of alliance to get Romney out of the race, it still may not work, but I believe it's our best chance of ridding the party of this RINO stain of a human being.
Same as in Virginia. Vote for Paul so Romney can’t claim victory here.
I absolutely love GOOD strategic thinking. So in Michigan a vote for Santorum (whether you prefer Gingrich or Santorum) is the way to go if you want to have a prayer of stopping Romney.
For Virginia, I don’t know what is the best move. I guess to vote for for Paul. But since there’s the unstated Romney-Paul alliance, I’m not sure what would be gained if Paul would carry the state. Perhaps Paul’s “loyalty” to Romney will lessen or disappear as we get closer to the convention.
Apparently they are in agreement with the big picture you suggest here, publius.
Hopefully, the idea catches on!
Romney is beatable. IF we think strategically, and not selfishly.
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