Posted on 12/31/2011 10:52:10 PM PST by Wiz-Nerd
But that is actually some good and positive news-since NDAA 2012 doesnt give Congress new authority in regards to US citizens and states the laws regarding the Army and detaining US citizens is that same as it always was and previous laws, including this one, take precedence.
NDAA - “Well it passed by a huge majority through Congress, including Congressmen and Congresswomen whom Freepers by and large respect as true conservative defenders of US liberty. Are they all traitors too, or maybe this bill doesnt actually give the govt more power to detain citizens than they have already had.”
Lemme see... Obama said, when he signed it: “Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens.” The history of this administration shows a high likelihood that this is pony shit and it’s obvious what the pony is.
Do I believe that the Congress is composted of traitors? Not wholy. Some are fools and some probably got snookered.
NDAA - “Well it passed by a huge majority through Congress, including Congressmen and Congresswomen whom Freepers by and large respect as true conservative defenders of US liberty. Are they all traitors too, or maybe this bill doesnt actually give the govt more power to detain citizens than they have already had.”
Lemme see... Obama said, when he signed it: “Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens.” The history of this administration shows a high likelihood that this is pony shit and it’s obvious what the pony is.
Do I believe that the Congress is composted of traitors? Not wholy. Some are fools and some probably got snookered.
But I beleive that many Congress members, including genuinely Conservative Congress members, drafted and supported the bill and it wasnt because Obama tricked them or forced them into doing it and it wasnt because they suddenly decided that they think the Constitution shouldnt be taken seriously and followed. Of course it has provisions that can be severely misused and there are numerous things not to like, but some sort of balance is needed before declaring it a conspiracy or black helicopter plot or something.
And as for Obama’s statement, well let’s just say that there probably was a reason for him to make a statement that direct and unambiguous when he could have said something convoluted and empty with no meaning. And there was also a reason why the bill was presented to him December 15 and he waited until the 31st to sign it.
“And as for Obama’s statement, well let’s just say that there probably was a reason for him to make a statement that direct and unambiguous when he could have said something convoluted and empty with no meaning”
What about this selection of quotes?
Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.”
U.S. Capitol, Washington, D.C., September 9, 2009.
We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil.
Obama’s oval office speech in June 2010
“Contrary to the claims of some of my critics and some of the editorial pages, I am an ardent believer in the free market.“
Russert: “So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?”
Obama: “I will not.”
Jan 20, 2006, “Meet the Press”
“the most transparent administration ever”
Multiple sources
That is why I have ordered the closing of the detention center at Guantanamo Bay...
Address to Joint Session of Congress, Feb. 24, 2009
And in honor of our new military presence in Uganda:
I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.
The New Yorker, May 31, 2004
Fair enough, but these statements are not the same as signing statements, which presidents do have some form of commitment to, since all presidents in addresses have said less than truthful things. Plus, some of those statements are just examples of ignorance or delusion rather than out and out lying, as in “I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.” - in that statement, it is left up to him what defines a “dumb war” so it is not as definitive as this singing statement
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