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An Open Debate About Open Borders (Why Libertarians Are Wrong)
American Rattlesnake ^ | December 29, 2011 | Gerard Perry

Posted on 12/29/2011 5:40:29 AM PST by OddLane

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To: Mr. Jeeves
Been there, done that.
21 posted on 12/29/2011 12:29:37 PM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: Sherman Logan
I don't think you can compare America during its expansion to this country after the frontier was settled.

The perception of the need for newcomers to settle the interior of the country was completely different in the 20th century than it was in the 19th-and especially the last part of the 18th century during the inception of the United States.

22 posted on 12/29/2011 1:17:33 PM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: OddLane
I don't think you can compare America during its expansion to this country after the frontier was settled.

I quite agree. However, I was responding to the mistaken idea of the author that we should return to enforcement of immigration restrictions like those put in place by the Founders. Which of course would mean none.

As I understand it, till the later 19th century one generally docked in America, walked off the boat and into the country. There just wasn't any real federal customs or immigration enforcement mechanism in place in today's terms.

The initial immigration restrictions only referenced criminals, Chinese, prostitutes and other undesirables.

23 posted on 12/29/2011 2:14:09 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Woods wasn't implying that we had stringent immigration restrictions in place when this country was founded.

He was merely pointing out that the mythos created by open borders dogmatists in order to perpetuate their ideology in the arena of ideas is not based upon a house of cards.

This country isn't simply a "nation of immigrants," and many of the men responsible for creating it, including Alexander Hamilton, had quite prescient reservations about opening our country's borders to any and all comers.

24 posted on 12/29/2011 3:58:44 PM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: arasina

ping


25 posted on 12/30/2011 1:22:07 AM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: OddLane; All

OUTSTANDING informative, educational article with tremendous links! Thanks, OddLane. A great thread, also.


26 posted on 12/30/2011 6:02:22 AM PST by PGalt
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To: OddLane
For them, the question is not so much whether a particular cohort of immigrants will be an asset to the United States but whether we have any right to prevent them from settling in this country in the first place, which many answer in the negative.

This seems, to me, an improper mixture of the notion of rights and powers. An individual may certainly have the right come to the United States, but the United States most definitely has the power to create rules, laws, or regulations governing who can come here and how they can come here. We're not, then, talking about our "right" to keep immigrants out, but creating a structure by which we can accept immigrants into the country and eventually become American citizens.

Is this really that difficult to understand? Why is this even an issue?

27 posted on 12/30/2011 6:10:03 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: PGalt
Thanks, PGalt.

I'm glad you appreciated it.

28 posted on 12/30/2011 12:06:25 PM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: OddLane
Hamilton, who was himself, born a bastard child out of the West Indies.

I still can't believe the open borders idiots who believe that virtually everyone has some sort of "right" to come here.

We also need to change the 14th Amendment with regards to giving citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

29 posted on 12/30/2011 12:10:48 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
Birthright citizenship Is a huge part of the problem we're facing.

It may not be numerically decisive, but it undermines the concept of citizenship to the point that it's become rendered meaningless.

It's dispiriting that Ron Paul is the only candidate in the race who's even raised this issue when it should be part of the standard talking points of anyone running for the GOP nomination.

30 posted on 12/30/2011 12:31:05 PM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: PGalt; HiJinx
FYI, American Rattlesnake now has a Facebook page.
31 posted on 12/31/2011 4:05:38 AM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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