Judge rules against Alaska, says belugas endangered

Chicago Daily Law Bulletin ^ | November 25, 2011 | Dan Joling

[1010RD]

Given that extinction is natural and reflective of the natural history of the earth - we're told that 98% of life is extinct - what's the purpose of the ESA?

What has happened to the environment as Belugas fell to 28% of their previous numbers?

What happened when the American Bison went extinct?

What is the net environmental effect of the following extinctions?:

Baiji River Dolphin

Tecopa Pupfish

Javan Tiger

Bubal Hartebeest

Pyrenean Ibex

Caribbean Monk Seal

Golden Toad

Passenger Pigeon

Quagga

Tasmanian Tiger

Source: http://listverse.com/2009/07/25/10-recently-extinct-animals/

[1010RD]

Lambeth’s analysis is sound. He follows the law and the facts both of which support his decision.

The issue then is the law and the broader facts of extinction.

Here’s a longer list of known extinctions: http://roboconsumer.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/extinct-mammals/

Where’s the harm to the environment from extinctions? Or is it simply the missing-penny syndrome wherein the worlds elites must have that missing penny regardless of the cost?

[ronnie raygun]

When the best available science predicts

Remember when we last relied on science? Global warming oh I meant climate change errr..... well you know what I mean.

Where do the scientists get thier funding??????? I rest my case!!!

[EGPWS]

Cook Inlet beluga whales did not bounce back after a decade, despite a ban on subsistence hunting...

Well, imagine that!

Humans still have a short distance to go before becoming God's.

[OldEagle]

"Lambeth’s analysis is sound. He follows the law and the facts both of which support his decision."

I believe the judge is female.

[netmilsmom]

Put some in a tank and then freeze some DNA. We can clone them one day,

Problem solved.

[OldEagle]

I believe I was incorrect.

[joe fonebone]

"The state said the listing would deter commercial fishing, oil and gas exploration and tourism and could affect operations at Alaska military installations. "
and this is the money quote...no drilling, no fishing, no tourists and the military is put in check... sounds like a communist's dream come true

[PA Engineer]

You might enjoy this: George Carlin - Saving the Planet

[sergeantdave]

The Center for Biological Diversity is Goebbel’s Ministry of Propaganda with fur and fins. Everything these Nazis say is a lie.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks 1010RD. Here's the buried lead:

Cook Inlet beluga whales did not bounce back after a decade, despite a ban on subsistence hunting blamed for depleting their numbers, he said.

Subsistence hunting = non-European PreColumbian-style; the election was a few weeks ago. Hope? Change? 2012 is coming.

[Reeses]

What happened when the American Bison went extinct?

American Bison did not go extinct and are still eaten. Where does that idea come from?

Far more life forms are found on Earth every year than go extinct. The catalog of life is growing, as is the number of things we're apparently responsible for taking care of forever.

[palmer]

Lambeth’s analysis is sound. He follows the law and the facts both of which support his decision.

Show me the law.

The issue then is the law and the broader facts of extinction.

Beluga whales are not going extinct.

Here’s a longer list of known extinctions: http://roboconsumer.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/extinct-mammals/

And that's proof of what? Look at the list, it is minor species that were mostly adapted for small areas. Some of those areas could be protected, but natural changes an also make them inhabitable for those species. In most cases the problem was that we imported invasive species that took over the habitat or killed and ate the now-extinct species.

[SunkenCiv]

The Cook Inlet population dwindled steadily through the 1980s and early 1990s, Lambeth wrote, and the decline was accelerated between 1994 and 1998 when Alaska Natives harvested nearly half the remaining 650 whales in only four years.

[1010RD]

Brilliant, but how long does frozen DNA preserve?

[1010RD]

Sorry for the exaggeration. What I meant was that they’ve been removed from their normal range and their wild numbers reduced to about 15000 from estimates in the millions. This reduction has lead to no deleterious effects in the natural environment.

I do know that they are still around and commercially raised. I’ve enjoyed ‘buffalo’ burgers.

[SmithL]

Lamberth, Royce C.

Born 1943 in San Antonio, TX

Federal Judicial Service:
Judge, U. S. District Court for the District of Columbia
Nominated by Ronald Reagan on March 19, 1987, to a seat vacated by Barrington D. Parker, Sr.; Confirmed by the Senate on November 13, 1987, and received commission on November 16, 1987. Served as chief judge, 2008-present.

Education:
University of Texas, B.A., 1965
University of Texas School of Law, LL.B., 1967

Professional Career:
U.S. Army Captain, JAG Corps, 1967-1974
U.S. Attorney's Office, District of Columbia, 1974-1987
Assistant U.S. attorney, Civil Division, 1974-1977
Assistant chief, Civil Division, 1977-1978
Chief, Civil Division, 1978-1987

[1010RD]

http://www.fws.gov/laws/lawsdigest/ESACT.HTML

“Section 7 of the Endangered Species Act requires Federal agencies to insure that any action authorized, funded or carried out by them is not likely to jeopardize the continued existence of listed species or modify their critical habitat.”

Modifying their critical habitat is the wedge as you are correct and Belugas are not going extinct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beluga_whale

[chessplayer]

A species can only be pushed so far before it reaches the point of no return. Just ask Canadian cod fishermen about that. Even after a total ban (too late) on cod fishing, the cod have not returned and never will return. Hey, but who cares if we kill everything in God’s creation as long as we can get some paper with ink splashed on it in return, right?

[Venturer]

Well that’s right.

Alsaka didn’t lose, we all did.

The Fishermen the oil industry, jobs went down the tubes, it reminds me of whe they ruined the San Jouquin by turning off their water.