Posted on 11/24/2011 5:37:51 AM PST by NaturalBornConservative
Amnesty activists make me angry. They are dishonest.
Enforcement never comes and amnesty always ends up bigger. Only honest policy is enforcenent first and only if it is done, then we can discuss next steps. Anybody insisting amnesty first approach is a liar or honest amnesty activist.
As another poster noted on this thread, Newt's approach would reward those who came in immediately after the last amnesty.
True to form, you have completely reversed the concepts of conservative reason and liberal emotionalism.
You are extolling Newt wanting to repeat the mistakes of Simpson-Mazzoli - in other words, taking the liberal path of not learning from mistakes.
While you rip into those who point out that we don't need more foreign labor for the foreseeable future, given our rampant unemployment.
So until you can figure out that you have the concept of liberal versus conservative exactly backwards, well, go pi** up a rope.
I don't know why you guys have to be so nasty in these discussions. What ever happened to the concept of conservative reason vs. liberal emotionalism? I mean, it doesn't bother me, you guys can call me anything you want, but it does sadden me to see people who call themselves "conservatives" react out of emotion rather than reason; lash out with personal invective rather than actual facts.
I totally concur! Happy T-Day!
And while I`m on the subject let me ask you this, what has that lesser of two evils dogma done to even slow down, let alone stop or, dare I say it, REVERSE the ever bigger and more abusive government trend by BOTH establishment parties?
“It is not surprising to watch a Beltway hack like Newt call for an amnesty program that screws American workers and taxpayers in the name of humanity for illegals. It is surprising to see so many FReepers waving the pom-poms for such.”
BUMP
“If Newt is honest,...”
BWAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAAA!!
You are supposed to ignore the history of Beltway politicians saying one thing and meaning another.
You are supposed to ignore the history of DC think tanks rationally wanting to screw American workers and taxpayers with their proposals while putting forth the absurd notion that their proposals are good for this country.
You see, THIS TIME they really mean what they say. And you're just being emotional for looking at the past and questioning such.
On this I agree; not one candidate will be able to deport every illegal alien. I like the idea of fingerprinting and microchip. Fingerprinting identifies the “person” vs. using a phony Id that are a dime a dozen.
So we deport them, they just come back again, wash, rinse and repeat. We pay billions of dollars to deport these illegals. Secure the border first with droids, more agents, make agents immune from prosecution so they can do their jobs vs taking the word of an illegal. Then come up with a tracking program for those who work and pay taxes.
I wish one of the candidates would offer a discount on tuition for our American legal students who go into the fields of engineering, science, math vs. awarding a Visa to foreigners. Why not rewward our own people first to eliminate the shortage.
It was the same deal when Perry was popular and he came out swinging in defense of his Dream Act.
I think it’s akin to sports team loyalty, once people get invested in a candidate, but it’s instructive of how easily a nation’s politics can go wrong.
Same back at ya! Even with the Clown Prince Narcissist in Chief in office, we have much for which to be thankful.
Recent history is full of the fallen - those who sold out conservative values because they became consumed with the temptations of money and power once they became one with the Beltway.
IMO whatever core conservative principles that Newt might have had long ago corroded away. He has simply learned the Beltway art of telling us part of what we want to hear to get the vote in the primary while leaving open his run to the middle in the general. And, once elected, he will do precious little to change the system that he has become an integral part of.
What’s wrong with following the laws already on the books, period? Other than securing the border, the rest of Newt’s plan would be rife with corruption. Can you imagine the profit to be made from becoming a “new-found” relative to an illegal? Also, if they’re here illegally, how can they be paying taxes?
The most accurate description of that 'strategy' is: the Juan McCain Ruse.
When he was far down in the polls in 2007, Juan came up with the "secure the border first" ruse to deflect his open borders history on the issue. It worked.
Since then, the McCain ruse has become very popular with squishy Republican candidates as we see here with Newt as he incorporates the ruse into his campaign.
(Anyone noticed Juan working night and day to get that border secured first since that was his promise in the 2008 and 2010 elections?)
Uh, no it was not. I guess you find it odd that I doubt the sincerity of the Beltway political process.
But my larger point stands - apparently your name calling good, my name-calling bad. You are a more equal animal than me, I guess.
And no,I don`t think any length of time here some how magically makes the crime of breaking into my country ok.Don`t care if you came here 70 years ago and have never committed any other crime, fact remains you broke the law in coming, so out you go,thru the door or out the window,don`t let the handle hit you in the butt on the way out.
>>...I like Cain, but the WH is no place to start a new career...<<
Yes! Electing career politicians has been working *SO* bloody well for us that the country is in the best shape it’s ever been in!
Look, I don’t know if Cain is the best choice, but after the mess that career pols have left us in over the past 5+ decades, I wouldn’t object to seeing what a non-career-pol could do.
I also can’t say there is anything really compelling about any of the GOP candidates at this point, but I will absolutely vote for whoever opposes Obama. That’s all I know for sure at this point.
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