"Commander-in-Chief" Debate Recap, Winners and Losers

The Iowa Republican ^ | November 13, 2011 | Kevin Hall

[mazda77]

I do not go on other candidate threads (like "Liz" consistently comes to Perry threads) and make wild, false comments and then leave. Just so you know the difference.

My point was about spam, not whether they were true or not. The fact is they are spam and in their content only tell a part of the truth. You are a died in the wool Perry supporter, we get that and it has come to the point that your posts are more scanned than read because we all know the routine. So spare us on the spam accusation.

[Darkwolf377]

Man, I'm so fed up with that 'his turn' thing in this party, aren't you? When McCain was the nominee, I was looking at him and thinking of the line John Huston said in Robert Towne's script for CHINATOWN:

"Politicians, ugly buildings, and whores all get respectable if they last long enough."

We have got to change that idea to "You ran once, you lost, you're done." We need to get rid of these fossils like Romney who just run forever so people are tired of them.

Didn't work for Dole, didn't work for McCain.

[ixtl]

My wife and I watched the first hour; she tried to catch the rest on our computer, but gave up.

As for winners and losers. The moderators attempted to marginalize Jon Huntsman, Micelle Bachman, Ron Paul and Rick Santorum by ignoring them. They gave way too much time to Romney, but then what do you expect.

The “winners?” Really, no one.

The big losers: CBS, and unfortunately, the American voters.

[goldstategop]

If the GOP nominee is elected President, he’ll name the next RNC Chairman.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

I saw that!

Welcome to the Perry campaign!

I knew he’d win you over.

lol

Stick around.

Gov. Perry will be the nominee.

[Yaelle]

Disagree that Cain looked bad. Will agree that he is not the most knowledgable re foreign policy. Not convinced he would be weaker than perry, who obviously was taught to memorize certain responses S stick to them,with great oomph, no matter what was asked.

Cain is a quick study and he is already growing in foreign policy. It’s his weakest area but everyone has a weaker area. He will be fine. He is not fading.

[goldstategop]

And it won’t work for Romney. But count on the Stupid Old Party to play it safe.

[Darkwolf377]

I saw that! Welcome to the Perry campaign! I knew he’d win you over. lol Stick around. Gov. Perry will be the nominee.

Thanks a lot, CNN, now look what you've done! :P

CW will tell you I'm undecided, but have said many more positive things about Cain than about Perry.

Now I say ONE good thing about Perry and I'm marked with the scarlet P!

Ya can't win around here...

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Whatever.

Grow up!

[mazda77]

One might start by taking her own advice.

[muawiyah]

You'll never catch Mitt in the trenches doing the hard work of party organizing ~ he pays for his campaigns ~ hires professionals who'll work for anyone.

You may have missed it but the Country Clubbers (and the Young Republicans) do all that sort of thing.

Mitt, and other candidates like him are what they are ~ professional candidates, and frequently they're part of the "ownership class"~ which he is.

Both George Bush', though now both certainly part of the ownership class actually did party organizing work in their youth ~ and Ronald Reagan actually did work in the trenches in one of the constituent factions of the Democrat party (although he never ran for office as a Democrat).

Currently the RNC and the Senate and House NC are in the thick fat paws of the "ownership class". We will have to overcome that problem to run an effective campaign next year. Why we would want to hand over the Presidential candidate's position to that same "ownership class" is a good question. They didn't do well this year, and we didn't need them at all last year for an historic win.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Don’t worry. No one will hold it against you.

=^D

[Liz]

Hmmmmmmmm......from all the gems we know about Perry's
nefarious activities, how would we accurately describe him?

In a word:

*cunning

*self-serving

*mean

*stupid

*anti-American

Yup, that about does it. ROTFL.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Well then, oops. :)

But really, what was with the anti-Cain statement.

Cain was one of the only candidates I watched at the debate we (apparently both) watched who wasn’t staying on talking points. I saw the moderators attempt to throw a hard-ball gotcha at Cain first thing.

He stepped up, without hesitating and knocked it out of the park. Cain did great.

What was your basis for criticizing Cain? And who do you favor?

Truth in advertising and all...

[muawiyah]

,,,,,,, from an approved list vetted by the old money types.

The State Committee Chairmen control the list ~ and if the President doesn't go along with them he's got some real problems in 2 years.

[muawiyah]

The pizza wars, which he won by making Godfather's profitable, had opponents who were under other name brands.

For a while, Bain owned Dominoes. Did they make a profit on the deal? I don't think they did. Mitt did not come out a winner in the pizza wars.

It shows ~ no pizza jokes in that man's repertoire.

[nathanbedford]

You know, I've been thinking for some time about what to do with Newt if we conclude that he is simply to idiosyncratic for the top spot. This speculation on my part goes back to the time of the appointment of Michael Steele as Republican National Committee Chairman, I wanted Gingrich for that spot.

My instinct is to say that Gingrich does not play well with others yet he was the model of a subordinate fidelity when he acted as whip for Bob Michaels while Michaels was minority leader of the Republican Party in the House. There was nothing in his behavior then that I can recall which would alert us to the fact that Gingrich might not be a team player.

Yet I feel somehow that a presidential candidate would be reluctant to put Gingrich on the ticket. The office is a constitutional office and Gingrich is coming to the end of his career, he cannot expect to run in eight years when he will be about 75 or so. In other words, Gingrich might not want the position and if he takes it, he has nothing to lose by asserting his independence. The vice president cannot be fired by the president, it is a constitutional office. He can be shunned but that is difficult to do to a man like Gingrich without setting off a bunch of landmines.

If Gingrich accepts and becomes vice president, one would hope that he could be as fine an addition to the administration as Dick Cheney was. I think it is unquestionably true that our safety today is thanks to one man. Dick Cheney is a patriot who accepted uncomplainingly a lot of cheap demagoguery in order to kept us safe.

I suppose somebody with Gingrich's candlepower and drive could be given specific areas of responsibility much like Cheney assumed for homeland security. Then the question becomes whether Gingrich becomes a loose cannon or subordinates his pyrotechnics to be quietly effective in the model of Dick Cheney?

My inclination is to say that he will not be offered the vice presidency and if he is, he might not take it. He would certainly only take if he could negotiate a guarantee of real and substantial power.

Despite the arguments about natural born citizenship status, the ideal vice presidential pick remains Marco Rubio who will bring Florida and a bite of this Hispanic vote with him. He has very little baggage, is effective on the stump and in debates. It is not a surprise that he is everybody's first pick. I believe he will accept, despite his recent disclaimers.

[muawiyah]

Then why does your boy stare and smile at Mitt all the time?

He knows his place!

[Yaelle]

Yes, my take indeed is that perry is by far the least sharp knife in the drawer.

[erlayman]

If libertarian positions are Democratic ones, is Ron Paul going to change parties along with Jon ? Or maybe he already is, which must explain why that is where most contributions from US troops have gone, lol Seriously. Do either have ANYTHING in common with Obama ? That is just so much bunk...