Posted on 09/28/2011 7:18:22 PM PDT by Kevmo
Only in your dreams. What Rossi actually SAID was that he might possibly reveal the name of the 1MW customer at the same time the report is issued on the 6 October test (which is supposed to happen October 7...and no,it won't bother me if that slips a few days). He did NOT say that he would not release the customers name closer to the 1MW demo, or at the time of the demo.
And frankly, I could give a flying cr*p who the customer is, as long as the tests are done and documented thoroughly. I'm after scientific proof, not some nebulous "suspicious activity".
Actually, Piantelli's latest numbers are of the same order as Rossi's. You really should focus are least some of your time on following the science, instead of trying to play detective.
"Rossi is claiming to ship a fully commercialized solution in October to a paying customer. Why can’t you guys realize how absurd that is?"
You have a MAJOR problem with reading comprehension. Rossi has NEVER claimed that the 1MW plant was "a fully commercialized solution". IT'S A ....ING PROTOTYPE!!!! Anybody with even a modicum of technical background understands that.
nope, he said it is the Hyperion model that is going to be available for sale with the first one being delivered in October.
That isn’t a prototype.....you may not realize that prototypes aren’t sold or given to customers..NEVER
Prototypes are something that may or may not work, they are little more than a working mock-up of a product.
This is where Rossi and company are messing up, they don’t understand how to fake the business side of this. It is such a clumsy scam that even a freshman business student in college can see it.
Don’t really care about Piantelli like I said...there is reason to do legitimate research. Piantelli to my knowledge didn’t claim to have a unit ready to go commercially.
“The Piantelli group’s Ni-H gas experiments produced excess heat in the tens of watts.” ... that’s nothing usable folks
Demos can be faked easily...when you give the customer the product to evaluate. this can’t be.
If the customer name is well known and conducts the tests, Rossi will be vindicated. He knew this and made allusions to this for months to dispel critics or at least hold them off.
October rolls around, and now there isn’t going to even be a way to verify that there is a customer, let alone, whether they are going to be true third party testers with an interest in having a working product.
This is the reason this is an absolute nuke bomb going off in Rossi’s imaginary factory. He is exposed.
He is trying a ploy that my 3 year old kid would try.
They are proof, what you really mean to argue is that he hasn’t been convicted in the US beyond a reasonable doubt which is what our laws require.
Even if someone in the business world isn’t convicted, no one would have dealings with a person like this. It gets around and stinks of outright fraud.
If he didn’t have this background and had a good track record..I bet he would have big partners, financing, people donating lab space, and more.
Again, we are talking Rossi here and not Piantelli.
Kevmo, link the 2 Intrads that are currently active and open here now that mention Rossi.
As we discussed, the 2 Intrades you are talking about are closed for years.
You are almost as bad as Rossi.
those bicycle mechanics didn’t say that they were selling commercial units ....so your comparison is invalid
people invent things in their homes all the time, that isn’t the point here
Swedish Skeptics have investigated it, but they said they didn’t get the required access to declare it legit or a fraud. Not all of them are scientists. Some are still attending school and un-degreed.
No one outside of Rossi has the access required to determine if this is even a remotely genuine claim by Rossi.
Nope. I'm looking at ALL the evidence, including your supposed pictures of vacant lots. Most of the arguments against Rossi are simply innuendo, and nothing more.
And even the Italian conviction (Petroldragon) is highly questionable. I'm from Louisiana, and I've seen things done precisely as was done to Rossi, where a politically connected business uses the law to drive a competitor out of business.
Although I have a LOT of scientific expertise directly bearing on the subject, I am not exactly a virgin in either business or politics. I've taken more than on product commercial, so I know the realities.
"Even if someone in the business world isn’t convicted, no one would have dealings with a person like this. It gets around and stinks of outright fraud."
And yet, surprisingly, a great many people, both here in the US, and in Italy, have continued to do business with Rossi. Perhaps what you smell is your upper lip.
"If he didn’t have this background and had a good track record..I bet he would have big partners, financing, people donating lab space, and more."
Speculation, based on nothing.
"Again, we are talking Rossi here and not Piantelli."
Here is the direct quote from your comment:
"Piantelli’s only has a much more conservative energy output. Only Rossi claims to get a 100x output over the other people researching LENR."
So it looks to me like we're discussing both Panatelli AND Rossi. "You" inaccurately claim "only Rossi's claims to get a 100X output....", when Panatelli's recent reported numbers are of a similar order of magnitude as Rossi's.
And since you're such a vaunted "business expert", here is a scenario that fits ALL the data, including your "odd" business findings.......and is a truly ancient tactic, both in business and warfare......it's called "mislead your competition/adversary". IOW, Rossi's activities are BOTH "a scam" and "real".....but the targets of the scam are not Rossi's CUSTOMERS, but Rossi's COMPETITION.
Yes, and that was Defkalion, which deal fell through. And no, it was never claimed that the Hyperion units were to be sold in October. The October date was ALWAYS for the 1MW demo, which has shifted to the new customer and the US.
"That isn’t a prototype.....you may not realize that prototypes aren’t sold or given to customers..NEVER.
LOL. And THAT comment proves to me that you know ZIP about business, too. I've sent quite a few prototypes to customers. It's done all the time. Of course, I test them all thoroughly before I ship them out. And I've "received" a few as well.
"Prototypes are something that may or may not work, they are little more than a working mock-up of a product."
See above comment about "sending prototypes to customers". And no customer will think about looking at an "emergent" product WITHOUT having a working PROTOTYPE to examine. Said customers are intelligent enough to realize that such devices may have some rough edges and some "teething problems", but they do well enough to "proof" the technology.
And at this point we have know way of knowing how many customers "have" independently examined prototypes, but are held confidential by secrecy agreements. I suspect that after the 1MW demonstration, that a lot of those secrecy agreements will be terminated, and we will hear more.
"This is where Rossi and company are messing up, they don’t understand how to fake the business side of this. It is such a clumsy scam that even a freshman business student in college can see it."
BS.
"“The Piantelli group’s Ni-H gas experiments produced excess heat in the tens of watts.” ... that’s nothing usable folks
And THAT info is out of data. Piantelli's latest quoted power figures are in the thousands of watts regime...just like Rossi's.
IOW, Rossi’s activities are BOTH “a scam” and “real”.....but the targets of the scam are not Rossi’s CUSTOMERS, but Rossi’s COMPETITION.
***That would not occur to him because it requires inductive reasoning.
those bicycle mechanics didn’t say that they were selling commercial units ....so your comparison is invalid
***The Wright brothers refused to demo their airplane for 2 years, though dozens of people asked, because the deal was, “if we fly it, you’ll order some”. No one would sign up until the US Army agreed.
That shows you don’t know anything about technical history. Also, the comparison would still be valid but it doesn’t matter, because your attempt at inductive reasoning is so lame that it’s not worth pursuing after such a tremendous faux pas.
people invent things in their homes all the time, that isn’t the point here
***Non sequitur
Swedish Skeptics have investigated it, but they said they didn’t get the required access to declare it legit or a fraud.
***Bowl Sheet
http://pesn.com/2011/04/07/9501805_Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Validated_by_Swedish_Skeptics_Society/
Not all of them are scientists.
***Not all of them have to be. Only in that deranged mind of yours is that a requirement.
Some are still attending school and un-degreed.
***So, in your deranged view, that makes their findings not worthwhile, while yet you, UNO FLatu, claim that they didn’t come up with any finding anyways.
No one outside of Rossi has the access required to determine if this is even a remotely genuine claim by Rossi.
***Your presumption is that the people who funded Rossi are really, really stupid, and they didn’t check things out for themselves with their own experts. Especially given Rossi’s supposed shady past... Your scenario is a form of argumentum ad absurdum, yet another classic fallacy.
Fantasy, huh? Is that why Intrade has listed 2 of my suggested cold fusion contracts already? So the possibility of getting a third one listed is a fantasy?
Almost none of what you say on this board pans out when subjected to scrutiny. Why should any of us listen to you?
You are far worse than what you make Rossi out to be.
You spew out tons of invective which would indicate your confidence level is high enough to give me 10:1 odds or similar, but you offer only 1:1 odds, and you’re on the side betting on engineering failure. Your deeds do not match your words. Wuss.
T4BTT — thanks for bumping the thread
So now you admit there isn’t an intrade....
Dude, you really get stuck on stupid sometimes. It’s like you read every third or 4th post to you.
Now da poor wittle baby couldn't handle da insults comin' his way... ahh da poor thing had to ask da moderator to remove offending comments.
Man up, wuss. Put your money where your mouth is.
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