Posted on 08/28/2011 10:58:00 AM PDT by hocndoc
” - - about half the folks who have to file a federal income tax return don’t owe any federal personal income taxes. “
You have made my point.
Those who vote are about 55 % of us of voter age.
Those who do not send money to Sheriff of Nottingham Timmy Gee are as you say “ — about half the folks —.”
The next step will be a much higher income bracket who “ - - - don’t owe any federal personal income taxes. “
Finally the 1 % who now pay 80 % of the taxes will be outvoted 99 to 1 on every single election from then on.
There are plenty of other taxes and you can't miss them or you'll meet the same fine gentlemen sent out to pick you up at gun point and haul you into tax court.
Thanks for pointing out a typo. Have you noticed how those seem to appear *only* after you hit “submit?”
That number on Texas tax dollars spent on border control should be “about a 100 million dollars” a year.
1. The staff I’ve met are definitely average Texans - unfortunately too often lawyers and too darned young to have had much life experience. I’ve often joked that what they need, if anything, in Austin (and Washington) is to begin a new program for middle aged and geriatric ‘interns’ rather than the 22-26 year olds!
2. While looking up some information that TheWriterTX posted, I found this site on Texas Debt and Budgeting. http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/rep_bios.php?rep_id=56615334&category=views&id=20110719150503
Property taxes for school were cut from $1.50 to $1. Now,I’m not a tax expert, but that’s a pretty big cut, at least nominally. It’s disturbing how many of the local school districts have actually voted to increase their local rates right up to the limit.
3. and 4. see typo note, above, and the comments about 2001 and driver’s licenses (we did restrict them this year) and 2005 funding for border control. We’ve noted on this Forum that the Governor has also sent in the Texas Ranger Recon Team and the rest of the DPS border effort. (it wasn’t a new program, even when the Governor demonstrated it for Greta.)
5. There you go again pretending to know motives. The Governor notes that his book is probably not the best thing he could have done if he’d been planning to run for President.
6. Have you any evidence that the 911 system is being underfunded to its detriment? That would be a better question.
We the people of Texas demanded that the budget be balanced without new taxes. Every segment of the State’s budget has felt the result of that demand.
This http://www.texaslsg.org/82nd/fr05282011budget is a report by the rabid left (Coleman, Burnham, Anchia and Naishtat)in the Texas House of Representatives. They never met a budget cut they liked. In fact, it’s about HB 1 from the regular session. The filibuster in the Senate on the last night necessitated a Special Session and a completely new start on the budget building process.
It is true that the 911 fees are put into the general fund, and funneled through the Comptroller’s office. Many fees - like the physician’s license permit - are divided between State agencies and the general fund. 75% of the Emergency fund is spent
In fact, the 911 fees are better compared to the many ways that the Feds force statist policies on States by coercing us to tax and spend their way or lose Federal funds.
Yes, Governor Perry is for repealing the 16th Amendment and getting rid of the IRS. He’d prefer a flat tax.
“Second, we should restrict the unlimited source of revenue that the federal government has used to grow beyond its constitutionally prescribed powers.
“One option would be to totally scrap the current tax code in favor of a flat tax, and thereby make taxation much simpler, easier to follow, and harder to manipulate. Another option would be to repeal the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution (providing the power for the income tax) altogether, and then pursue an alternative model of taxation such as a national sales tax or the Fair Tax. The time has come to stop talking about fixing the broken and burdensome tax code and to take bold action to replace it with one that is not a burden for the taxpayer and that provides only the modest revenue needed to perform the basic constitutional functions of the federal government. America needs a fairer, flatter, and simpler system, one which working families can complete without having to hire a bevy of professionals to assist them.”
Perry, Rick; Newt Gingrich (2010-11-15). Fed Up!: Our Fight to Save America from Washington (pp. 182-183). Little, Brown and Company. Kindle Edition.
I call this the “de Toqueville moment,” a repeated theme at WingRight.
http://wingright.org/2011/07/18/the-de-toqueville-moment-are-you-for-sale/
http://wingright.org/2011/07/24/the-de-toqueville-moment-will-we-endure/
http://wingright.org/2011/08/03/more-de-toqueville-moments-yes-they-want-to-tax-and-spend/
Absolutely outstanding response to the rhetoric. We need balanced information. Thank you for raising the level of discourse.
BWAHAHAHAHA
Re: #6. I’m skipping over the rest, because this one is golden. You say, in essence “Well okay, yes, but maybe it’s okay.”
Unfortunately, here you’ve landed in my particular field. Yes, 9-1-1 has been negatively effected. This underfunding will mean that NextGen911 won’t be fully implemented in even the larger PSAPs (Public Safety Answering Points) for some years longer than might otherwise have been the case. Here’s the point, however: The money is collected on the basis of funding 9-1-1. That’s what the law says. Instead, it was diverted elsewhere. Period.
There was a similar issue with another agency some years back, where fees were collected for licenses, and the money in the agency’s account balance was swept, essentially stealing the funds for purposes other than for which they’d been earmarked. I’m going to need to dig up more facts before naming the agency, but that’s the gist as I recall.
Back to #1. So the average Texan is a young lawyer?
#2: That’s why it’s important to actually reform the tax system. I don’t think the effective tax has substantially change for anybody.
Look, I don’t mind if you want to support Perry, but please, this idea that he’s a paragon of capitalism and a strong lifelong defender of border security measures has got to stop. Your estimate of ‘about a 100 million dollar’ needs a little firming up, too.
Every presidential candidate is expected to have written at least one book these days. I knew when Perry’s was published that my suspicions about his intentions were probably accurate. Well, guess what? Seems they were.
You know, trying to demonstrate somebody’s motive is something that’s done in courts all across the country every day. Stop pretending that I’m attempting to read Perry’s mind. I’m not. I can read his actions.
GREAT...thanks.
Last nite an old childhood friend from Ohio called to ask me about Perry. She has friends, etc., who are leery of him because of the recent attacks on him.
As a Texan, I answered her honestly. I am forwarding this article to her today. She and I discussed the Gardisil and TTC, last nite. I like the quotes from Perry’s books from this article, that should certainly give a fair picture of the man.
Thanks.
Good observations, in fact they are quite obvious. Or else Perry would not have served 3 consecutive terms.
“some years longer?”
Actually, yes, as long as the legislature is making the appropriations and the process is open, “it’s okay.” There are costs to the State in overhead - collection, bookkeeping, disbursement.
The State cut spending, except for education and a very few others. No one gets everything from government that they want, even if we followed the recommendations from your Coleman/Naishtat/Anchia reference and raised taxes.
EMS won’t get to fully implement the newest toy for “some years longer” and the sovereign State of Texas won’t spend money collected from our citizens the way the Feds tell us to.
“Firming up” those numbers would require counting all the money local and county law enforcement spends.
However, the final budget passed 82nd Legislature appropriated $157 million in direct spending on border control for the next two years. In addition to the usual DPS functions, the State purchased helicopters and initiated the Ranger Recon Team .
Border counties and their Sheriff’s Coalitions are spending their own money to assist in training Mexico police and federal forces to combat the drug coalitions in addition to more routine police work by both city and county LEO’s. As the Governor has pointed out, we incur costs to jail arrested and convicted illegal aliens.
What I said that the Governor’s background is familiar to the average Texan. I believe that you tried to made the correlation between the staff at the Capitol and Wall Street. Those young lawyers aren’t “Wall Street.”
Does your clairvoyance give you special insight into why the Governor wrote “On My Honor?”
” No, I didn’t make your point. You forgot to specify “Federal Personal Income Tax”. - - - “
I agree that I was in error to not be more specific. Let me re-phrase: 51 % of the people who could be paying US Federal Personal Income Taxes pay no US Federal Personal Income Taxes. This could be do to a large number of factors including an income ceiling below which they would not be obligated to pay any US Federal Personal Income Taxes. This is a tax loophole for those who do not want to” pay their fair share. “
These same non-paying US Federal Personal Income Tax non-payers have the opportunity to vote for people who want to buy their votes in National elections. For example, Professor You Lie offered only 500 dollars of taxpayer money per voter to win in 2008.
The Debtocratic Party will continue to raise the now 51 % to a future 99% who do not pay US “Federal Personal Income Tax.”
At that point the Debtocrats will have operational control of whatever they choose to pass laws to control.
Remember their motto: REGULATE, CONTROL AND DESTROY.
Their reasoning is simple:
1.) Dig THE VALLEY OF DEBT so deep that the USA will never be able to pay it off;
2.) Pass regulations that can be rewritten and expanded for years to come , and eventually replace the need for Congress to pass Laws, and the need for THE NINE SUPREMES to re-interpret any previous laws. Then the Executive will be the only effective Branch of the US Federal Government;
3.) Keep raising the income ceiling for people who do not have to pay “ Federal Personal Income Tax; “
4.) Keep repeating the lie that “ everyone must pay their fair share, “ because eventually everyone will believe it.
THAKS! Will save and put to good use!
” - - - - I call this the “de Toqueville moment,” - - - .”
Thanks for the addy.
Back in 1831 this was quite a revelation to the fledging US. The debtocrats used it in the classic “ gradual boiling of a frog manner “ until 1971( or 2?) when more than 50 % of Americans received a letter from “ an Eagle flying over their mailboxes. “
It took the debtocrats in “both” political parties 140 years to cut the roots of our Republic. My hope is that we can begin growing new roots soon.
First, we have to reverse the National Debt Clock. Ah! Here is my pal Question-Man!
Question-Man : WHO WILL LEAD US OUT OF THE VALLEY OF DEBT ?
It's an anachronism from two centuries ago that should be allowed to die.
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