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GM’s Chevy Volt 'Bait and Switch'
National Legal & Policy Center ^ | July 21, 2011 | Mark Modica

Posted on 07/21/2011 3:11:52 PM PDT by jazusamo

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To: seminarcallerva; Admin Moderator

Seminar caller signs up today to sell us on lemons. Hmmmm......


22 posted on 07/22/2011 1:01:22 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: seminarcallerva
Personally, I’m somewhere around 330 MPG in the four months of ownership and gimmick or not, I think that’s pretty darn practical.

So tell us where that electricity comes from - the electricity fairy?

Someone had to burn coal, oil or gas or run nuclear for that. And then transmit the electricity.

And it took a lot of energy and pollution to mine and manufacture the metals the make up the batteries.

So while you think you are riding 330 mpg green, all you've done is dump your pollution elsewhere than out your tailpipe.

Typical liberal.

23 posted on 07/22/2011 1:03:39 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: nascarnation

I think you made the right decision and the Cruze is about half the sticker price of a Volt isn’t it?


24 posted on 07/22/2011 1:03:40 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: seminarcallerva
Would you care to elaborate on your claim that the Volt is overpriced golf cart? You obviously have not driven one and so it’s curious why anyone that hasn’t driven one would compare it to a golf cart. There’s a button on it that you can put it in “SPORT” mode and due to the high torque at low rpms of an electric engine the acceleration is really quite impressive especially for how heavy the car is. It also handles great due to a low center of gravity and it is really just fun to drive in general. In short, go test drive one and you will see how the golf cart claim is just so very, very far from the truth.

I actually have driven one (not with any intention of buying from a corrupt company that stiffed its bondholders, but so I'd know what its weaknesses were as a product), and it was barely adequate - for a $15,000 car. I found it uncomfortable, sluggish (which some describe as "good for its weight", in the same way as Rosie "looks good for her weight"), and poorly finished, as well as trying too hard to look high tech instead of simply being laid out naturally. I am boycotting GM forever because of their corrupt bankruptcy progess, and even if the Volt was good, I would not buy it, but it's actually nowhere near worth the huge price.

25 posted on 07/22/2011 1:06:04 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: jazusamo

Yeah, that’s about right. Being retired, I really don’t put on all that many miles.

One of my friends has a Volt, he had to go to Michigan to buy it because they aren’t on sale here in Indiana yet. He’s very pleased with it because the battery range is just about equal to his daily commute, so he’s not buying much gas at all.


26 posted on 07/22/2011 1:13:31 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: dirtboy; Brett66; seminarcallerva

Semi seems to have the GM and Greenie propaganda down pat.

Is this you’re first signup at FR, semi?


27 posted on 07/22/2011 1:15:08 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: seminarcallerva

I do believe the Volt is the right concept and how many cars will be configured in the future.

But due to batteries not quite advanced enough and the economies of scale not yet there I can’t justify buying one at this time.

Thank you for being an early adopter. Your pain is my gain.


28 posted on 07/22/2011 1:22:31 PM PDT by toast
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Semi seems to have the GM and Greenie propaganda down pat.

Not only that, he/she's in the DC area. Notice how he says he "ordered" a Volt. Didn't the Feds buy a bunch of these things? Even if he did pay for it himself, what do you want to bet he's a government employee/contractor and plugging the car in at work every day, which means we're paying for him to "go green."

29 posted on 07/22/2011 1:23:50 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: jazusamo
Semi seems to have the GM and Greenie propaganda down pat.

To be fair to the electric car concept, it's not a fundamentally bad idea. It's the implementation that is flawed, and not even because of the GM engineers but simply because it's still early in the evolution of this product. Perhaps in a decade it will be worth considering (and I'll consider Ford, Honda, Toyota, or anyone that has not been involved in a corrupt nationalization process like GM/Chrysler), but for now, it's just not ready for market.

If anyone I knew bought a GM/Chrysler product, I would think less of them. Socialism is wrong. Grade theft is wrong. Stiffing the bondholders was wrong. Forcing taxpayers to pay for GM's losses was wrong. Contributing to the survival of a corrupt company is wrong. I will not be a part of that corruption, hence, even if they upgraded the Volt to where it was worth owning and cut the price in half, I still would not buy it. At the current price though, I would not buy the Volt even from an honest company.

30 posted on 07/22/2011 1:24:30 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Pollster1
If anyone I knew bought a GM/Chrysler product, I would think less of them.

Reporting for duty. Sorry I didn't match up to FReeper expectations.

31 posted on 07/22/2011 1:30:00 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Pollster1
I agree with the bulk of your post and have made similar posts.

The problems I have with the Volt is initial cost, depreciation, unknown maintenance costs at this time and the fact it is not truly the environmental friendly car it's made out to be.

I believe new technology will have to be discovered to make electric cars cost effective and truly environmentally friendly.

32 posted on 07/22/2011 1:35:17 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: seminarcallerva
As a proud American who has bought his first new American car ever I’m very proud that this car was conceived, designed, and built here in America...

By a tax-subsidized, nationalized union-controlled company (bought and paid for with MY tax dollars!) that cannot compete, except by stealing more tax dollars (Volt tax credits -- hah!) from other proud Americans, like me, who wouldn't buy a Government Motors Volt (or any other vehicle from GM for that matter) if they were giving them away!!

33 posted on 07/22/2011 1:47:56 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (I will always remember exactly where I was when Obama made his NCAA picks.)
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To: jazusamo
The problems I have with the Volt is initial cost, depreciation, unknown maintenance costs at this time and the fact it is not truly the environmental friendly car it's made out to be.

Excluding luxury goods, I suspect that the environmental impact of most products is closely tied to both the life-cycle energy use and to the price. The Volt, as you imply, fails that test.

34 posted on 07/22/2011 1:53:57 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: seminarcallerva
GM is selling them a lot faster than most every other car on the market because for some people the Volt makes a whole lot of sense since it is a super fun car to drive, has great acceleration, a great fit/finish and it personally saves me about $200 a month in gas and maintenance costs.

Can you back up the claim that Volts are selling faster than most every other car on the market?

Yes, this is a test.

35 posted on 07/22/2011 2:08:32 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Brett66
Seminar caller signs up today to sell us on lemons. Hmmmm......

Probably one of Jesse Lee's malsentients.

36 posted on 07/22/2011 2:21:32 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: seminarcallerva; All
Looks like seminarcallerva was a retread, adios semi.

Kitty

38 posted on 07/22/2011 2:47:33 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Brett66; dirtboy; nascarnation; Pollster1; toast; Hoffer Rand; tacticalogic; The Citizen Soldier

Viking Kitty Ping!


39 posted on 07/22/2011 2:52:18 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

That was quick. I love the smell of ZOT on a late Friday afternoon.


40 posted on 07/22/2011 2:59:42 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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