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In Seeking Pardon For Swindler, Bachmann Convicts Herself of Illiteracy
06/24/2011 | Brices Crossroads

Posted on 06/24/2011 8:57:48 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads

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To: Finny

I never said the letter made sense, nor that it was well written! It’s not persuasive in the least, nor is it terribly coherent.

Actually, tho, I don’t think pardons after the fact make sense. If Vennes or anyone else was convicted of a crime and did time, that’s history. I don’t see how a pardon wipes out a person’s history. So, to me it’s all nonsense. A pardon such as Bush granted Libby makes sense. It saved him from doing time, if nothing else.

Clinton pardoned (among others) Susan McDougal. Does that mean she didn’t commit the crime and/or do the time? It won’t be brought up in any job application, or her obituary when that time comes? What benefit is an ex post facto pardon?

But what’s even more useless to me are threads on here, day after day after day, where one candidate’s fans bash another candidate over what is inconsequential. The full GOP roster isn’t even set yet. There are two or more big names still in discussion without declarations. When that roster is set, the candidates and their supporters can put forth cogent arguments to support their candidacy. In the meanwhile, this sort of snipping does no one any good, including the candidate(s) the threads are meant to help.


161 posted on 06/25/2011 3:14:04 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Beelzebubba
I write non-fiction and am NOT handsomely paid for it, but I am adequately paid and love doing it! :^)

Sorry, buddy, you of all people should know that how a middle-aged professional expresses herself in writing when making arguments, is very much a steadfast guide as to how that person thinks. I hope you don't turn in crap like this to your own employers, or you have some of your readers thinking: "What a dingbat!"

162 posted on 06/25/2011 3:17:19 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: EDINVA
Somebody who aspires to be the president of the United States, someone who is my age, should be able to write a letter on public letterhead to a high official in a way that made sense, was persuasive, and was coherent.

If that person fails in that very basic skill, then that person, no matter anything about pardons, is probably going to be a pretty lousy risk in a job that requires very high levels of ability in communication. Some risks are difficult to spot -- but here, we have a case of something pretty simple showing an awfully big, glaring risk factor.

163 posted on 06/25/2011 3:24:00 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Finny

Your writing suggests enough about your personality that I’m done with you.


164 posted on 06/25/2011 3:46:24 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (End the "Fiscal Fiasco" in 2012!)
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To: Finny
For anyone interested in what I have posted, I recommend two books : AFFAIRS OF HONOR, by Joanne B. Freeman and Eric Burn's INFAMOUS SCRIBBLERS, which lay out what newspapers, pamphlets, nasty rumors, and pols, themselves, wrote and said, during America's early years. There might not have been 24 hour cable news, talk radio, etc. back then, but news, rumors, attacks, and scurrilous lies got out there, to the general populace in pretty short order. It was as bloodthirsty,nasty, and vile as one could imagine!

Today, even though whispering campaigns are now done in the open, with spotlights and megaphones, are far less committed by the party faithful, than they were, even as recently as Ike and the Dems spreading rumors that Mamie was a closeted drunk.....which he wasn't.

Jackson was convinced that the war against him and his wife ( they were both accused of adultery and she far worse things than that ! ), caused her death.

Lovely quote, BTW, and one I was unfamiliar with.

165 posted on 06/25/2011 4:00:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

If you haven’t yet read Owen Wister’s “The Virginian,” I beg you, do. It is one of the plain loveliest books ever written, a contemporary semi-chronological of the American West. It is authentic and a beautiful work of literary art from 1902.


166 posted on 06/25/2011 4:30:32 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Finny
Many thanks for the book suggestion!

Wasn't there at least one movie made of that book? The title rings a bell, for some reason or other.

167 posted on 06/25/2011 4:38:28 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Jim from C-Town
The likely hood that she actually read, much less wrote this letter herself is less than average at best.

Only an idiot would sign a letter of this nature without reading it.

I read and correct if necessary EVERYTHING I sign at work.

She might have a more important job than I do but I guarantee you she isn't busier and doesn't work harder. Judging from this letter she sure as hell doesn't have the attention to detail I do either.

168 posted on 06/25/2011 5:07:25 PM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: GSP.FAN

“So i presume you will be voting for Obama again?”

HELL NO!!!!!

If Bachmann is the nominee, I will vote for her. But in the primary, I will certainly be looking for someone else to be the nominee (but certainly not Romney, Pawlenty Johnson or Paul). I just don’t think Bachmann is everything we thought.

I’m hoping someone else gets in this. Maybe someone from Alaska.


169 posted on 06/25/2011 5:13:19 PM PDT by GR_Jr.
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To: EDINVA
They are typically recent college (or law school) grads who are paid about the same as the burger flippera at McD’s.

a robo-signer adds the signature.

Then why don't they give themselves a raise? If they are authorized to robo-sign just any old damn crap it would be perfectly legal too.

Actually robo-signers are used for souvenir photos not checks and legal documents. Except perhaps unless an idiot authorizes it.

170 posted on 06/25/2011 5:15:00 PM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: Eaker

A letter to a DOJ lawyer is “correspondence,” for which Congressional robo-signers are used hundreds of times a day. It is not a “legal document.”

Nor for that matter are Congressional paychecks issued from the Members’ offices. They are federal employees, and paid through the Dept of the Treasury, almost exclusively now through direct deposit.


171 posted on 06/25/2011 5:57:38 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

It would take a damned lazy person to let someone else issue poorly written crap with their signature on it. Especially something this important.

Damn lazy and stupid.

If your name is on it you own it. Sorry if that is not clear enough.


172 posted on 06/25/2011 6:43:23 PM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: nopardons
Yes, there have been two that I can think of off the top of my head, one with Gary Cooper. There was also a TV series that was wildly loose with the novel (the arch enemy in the book is, in the series, The Virginian's best buddy). They're entertaining, but fall very far short of the novel. The novel is about the American cowboy, the cowboy way. Too bad nobody got Tom Selleck to play the part in a good screenplay when he was a younger man.

I hope you read it and come to cherish it, as I have, as as a work of art that's a privilege to possess.

173 posted on 06/25/2011 8:47:48 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Finny
Aaaaaahhhhhhhh...........I thought that Cooper had been in it, but wasn't certain. As I said, the title rang a few bells.

Though I am and always have been an avid reader, this genre isn't one that I am particularly drawn to; however, I may just give it a try, because you say it is so very well written and I do enjoy a well written book.

174 posted on 06/25/2011 8:54:23 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: buccaneer81

You know...there was a time when folks waited until the fall before they announced. Obama broke the record in announcing just after the mid-terms in 2006.

I hope that Sarah will get the election cycles back on track.

Too, she’s been vetted, and abused, to the max. Not so Michele. I like her very much, but the media is going to tear her limb from limb.


175 posted on 06/26/2011 12:09:42 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Age, skill, wisdom, and a little treachery will always overcome youth and arrogance!)
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To: ansel12

Please reread my post. I never said any such thing.

I simply said that *I* would hire the most cut throat campaign manager there is.

That’s because I’m not Sarah. ;o)


176 posted on 06/26/2011 12:13:34 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Age, skill, wisdom, and a little treachery will always overcome youth and arrogance!)
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To: Eaker
Maybe you should run for president. Of course by your own admission you do not have as important of a job or apparently the necessary background, but that never stopped Obama.
177 posted on 06/26/2011 12:56:05 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

I don’t eat that much and rarely take vacations too.

However Obama’s constituency wouldn’t vote for me because I don’t hate America, do hate islam and my wife isn’t a racist bitch.


178 posted on 06/26/2011 8:13:25 AM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: dixiechick2000

In the context of your post, I have to think that you were saying that Rollins as a cutthroat was the right hire for Bachmann, and that you would do the same in her shoes.


179 posted on 06/26/2011 10:27:16 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ansel12

You misunderstood my post.

He is a cut throat, but not the right hire for someone as well known, and as well spoken, as Michele.

But, he would be for me because I would need it all from him. ;o)


180 posted on 06/27/2011 12:04:01 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Age, skill, wisdom, and a little treachery will always overcome youth and arrogance!)
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