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New Birth Certificate - Same Old Shell Game
Dean C. Haskins | 04/28/2011 | Dean C. Haskins

Posted on 04/28/2011 4:14:46 PM PDT by Music Producer

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1 posted on 04/28/2011 4:14:51 PM PDT by Music Producer
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To: Music Producer
By the end of the day, it was more than apparent that, once again, Obama had released a computer-generated image with possibly contrived information on it.

At day's end, I was stumped. Why would Obama have released such a poorly thrown-together computer image?

Answer #5. See also answers 1-4 and 6-19.

2 posted on 04/28/2011 4:22:12 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Music Producer
This is getting silly now. All this post reveal harping reminds of the leftist loonies who continued to go after Bush's military record even after he released all the paperwork related to his service. They too claimed that Bush was able to "fake" the real documents. We rightfully dismiss such people as charlatans.

I hate to continue pointing back to the Lakin case but the fact that he pleaded guilty, essentially recanting his original claim that 0bama was not eligible to be president, shows that the government did have sufficient evidence to show that 0bama is eligible. As much as we want this story to be true, it isn't. It is time to accept it and move on.

3 posted on 04/28/2011 4:28:28 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Jeff Winston

None of which is commentary on whether he is or isn’t a natural born citizen.


4 posted on 04/28/2011 4:29:05 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Music Producer

He did it the way he did because the thinks it’s just a big joke; we are just a bunch of yokels he flipping the bird to.


5 posted on 04/28/2011 4:30:07 PM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: Music Producer

The stupidity and ignorance of the American electorate elected Obama and continues to swallow his lies. This is just another one of the continuous flow. Only the American people can stop this....the Congress and the Courts won’t, or have not yet. Trump was on the right track - I hope he does not give up. At least HE is trying.


6 posted on 04/28/2011 4:30:18 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: pnh102

He was allowed to plead guilty for a light sentence after the judge refused to grant discovery thereby gutting the case. Lakin adds nothing to the debate.


7 posted on 04/28/2011 4:36:23 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Jeff Winston
I still would like to meet local registrar "UKL LEE."

Sounds like Don Ho was moonlighting at the registry.

8 posted on 04/28/2011 4:36:47 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: pnh102
Natural Born, Natural Born, Natural Born.

Should have been the focus from the start and needs to be pushed hard now.

9 posted on 04/28/2011 4:38:43 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Music Producer

It used to be in this country that when a president lied or covered up something, he was quickly run out of town via impeachment or resignation (Nixon/Watergate)

This man is so brazen about his protective media that he thinks he can publish a forged document as original, and get away with it.

Forget the eligibility for a minute... what about the fraud and lying to the American public???

Part of me still thinks and hopes that Trump is simply biding his time with the evidence that Obama just handed him on a silver platter... It may be that Trump anticipated this move, and is waiting for the left’s “In your face... It’s over already” public cries to die down before he lashes back with “ITS A FAKE!”

If he fails to see this thing through, he is through as a viable candidate. Contrary to his claims, and whether he likes it or not, Trump IS the birther candidate.

Time for him to finish the game or admit defeat.


10 posted on 04/28/2011 4:43:32 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
He was allowed to plead guilty for a light sentence after the judge refused to grant discovery thereby gutting the case. Lakin adds nothing to the debate.

Plea bargaining is what a criminal does when he knows that the state has sufficient evidence to get a conviction that will land him in prison for a long, long time and when the prosecutor doesn't want to deal with appeals. Lakin did not have to plead guilty; he could have gone to trial on the one charge. Had he been convicted, he could have appealed on the grounds you cite. He chose instead to say that the military is right and he is wrong.

11 posted on 04/28/2011 4:44:11 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Music Producer
To contextually determine the historic definition of a word or phrase, one must view its definition within historically contemporary primary and secondary sources. The Constitution is actually a secondary source, as it was fashioned after a primary source: Emmerich de Vattel's “Law of Nations.” In “Law of Nations,” Vattel defined a natural born citizen as one who is born on our soil to citizen parents. That is the primary source definition, and that definition has never been altered—not through amendment, nor by the Supreme Court. Moreover, the framers chose to include that specific requirement as part of a president's eligibility. It really does not matter why they included it, only that they DID include it; and, having included it, it is part of the highest law of our land. Your argument does not even approach the minimum standards of coherence. Many of our past presidents: Van Buren, Buchanan, Arthur, Wilson, Hoover, and of course Obama, all had at least one foreign born parent. Besides, under our Constitution, The House of Representatives is the final certifying body to an election, and, in each case, their word is final. The House did vote to make each of these men president, thereby giving their final stamp of approval as to the legitimacy of the election. So, regardless of your complaints, BO IS our president. Listing some Swiss dude as your authority is ridiculous. Give it a rest and concentrate on how to remove a Marxist from the Whitehouse.
12 posted on 04/28/2011 4:45:27 PM PDT by 47samurai (The last real conservative)
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To: pnh102
This is getting silly now. All this post reveal harping reminds of the leftist loonies who continued to go after Bush's military record even after he released all the paperwork related to his service. They too claimed that Bush was able to "fake" the real documents. We rightfully dismiss such people as charlatans. I hate to continue pointing back to the Lakin case but the fact that he pleaded guilty, essentially recanting his original claim that 0bama was not eligible to be president, shows that the government did have sufficient evidence to show that 0bama is eligible. As much as we want this story to be true, it isn't. It is time to accept it and move on.

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Do you have an explanation why Obama went to all that trouble to get a long form birth certificate in April 2011?

Did he never have one?

Did the President of the United States simply lose the one he had, and that is why he had to order one in April 2011 so that he could put Trump in his place by finally displaying to the world his Hawaii long form birth certificate?

And if he lost it, I wonder when Obama lost it, because it seems he ordered an earlier birth certificate in 2007, and we know that most people don't order another birth certificate unless they have lost theirs.

13 posted on 04/28/2011 4:46:13 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: Safrguns
It used to be in this country that when a president lied or covered up something, he was quickly run out of town via impeachment or resignation (Nixon/Watergate)

. Nixon was the exception. Liars have often held the oval office. McKinley, FDR and Wilson told some real whoppers.

14 posted on 04/28/2011 4:47:20 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: pnh102
This is getting silly now.

Yep, that pretty much covers it.

15 posted on 04/28/2011 4:49:34 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: kevslisababy
I think one of the main reasons the "3-M president" released the "birth certificate" was to provide cover to the so-called "conservatives" (e.g., most members of the GOP) and self-described "defenders of the Constitution" (e.g., talkshow hosts such as Medved, Hewitt and, sadly, even Levine, et al.) who are desperate to "move on".

Many of these "conservatives" have joined with the Left/Democrat Socialists in condemning the "birthers" for even raising the question, who have offered the lame excuse for not pursuing the matter because it deflects efforts from more important issues (why not do both?) and who have, in many respects, done a better job at burying the issue (thereby protecting the political elite status quo as well as sheltering Obama) than have the most effective members of the Left/Democrat Socialist Party.

I suppose to many people defending the Constitution is fine -- as long as it's convenient to do so and doesn't create too many problems for the DC elite on both ends of the political spectrum.

16 posted on 04/28/2011 4:50:12 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: john mirse
Do you have an explanation why Obama went to all that trouble to get a long form birth certificate in April 2011?

My best guess is that 0bama wanted to keep the birther issue alive for as long as possible so that he could use it as a political weapon against his GOP nominee in 2012. Had said nominee brought up the issue, 0bama would have done the exact same thing he did now, reveal the long form birth certificate at the most damaging opportunity in the campaign, and then guarantee himself an easy re-election.

Did the President of the United States simply lose the one he had, and that is why he had to order one in April 2011 so that he could put Trump in his place by finally displaying to the world his Hawaii long form birth certificate?

0bama most likely released this when he did because Trump was able to use his own status and celebrity to bring a lot of new examination into this issue. In the 2 months that Trump fought for this, he managed to convince half the country that 0bama was not born in the USA or was somehow otherwise ineligible to serve. That move alone moved Trump to the top of the polls of potential GOP nominees and even had him besting 0bama in potential electoral matchups. The only weapon 0bama had against Trump was the release of the long form birth certificate.

However, like ordnance that goes off to early, 0bama succeeded in disarming himself without destroying his enemy. Without the birther issue, 0bama needs to now answer for his incompetence and mishandling of the economy, foreign policy and just about every other aspect of his presidency. 0bama can no longer hide behind the "oh it is those crazy birthers again" issue.

17 posted on 04/28/2011 4:53:58 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Music Producer
There is one simple way for Obama to verify the authenticity of the birth certificate.

One can argue that Obama has waived his right to privacy by releasing this information. If so, then we should do the following:

1) Publicly ask Obama to waive access to the information, since he has already publicly released it.

2) people can now request uncertified copies from the Hawaii Department of Health, now that the document has been made public (let's see if the office can reproduce the document). 3) the hospital no longer can hide behind the excuse of privacy because hospital information (including the doctor) has been released by Obama.

If the document is real, the Hawaii Dept. of Health should have no problem turning out additional copies to those who pay the fee for one, now that it is public domain.

-PJ

18 posted on 04/28/2011 4:55:53 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: mnehring
See my #18. It seems like a simple way to finally verify things, with little impact to anyone.

-PJ

19 posted on 04/28/2011 4:57:13 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: 47samurai

What matters is not if the parent is foreign born, but if the parent was a citizen at the time of the child’s birth.


20 posted on 04/28/2011 4:57:24 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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