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[Red Steel]

Good to know you’re dumb enough to dismiss the very law you are bitching about.

Title 8 has nothing to do with natural born citizenship. It does not address the issue. The law deals with statute (Statute citizenship means not natural born) citizenship and US Nationals.

The Bots have trotted this nonsense out since 2008 and alway get it wrong.

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401

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§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

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The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person

(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or

(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States."

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(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

The first one on the list "(a)" encompasses 14th Amendment citizens that is a law created by man and is instituted in the Constitution, but that doesn't mean these citizens are natural born at birth, unless they are totally and completely under the jurisdiction thereof.

If the parents or parent is/are a citizen from another country who passes on their foreign citizenship(s) to the child, that child is a duel citizen and therefore not natural born. Natural born mean allegiance to only one country that has claim over the child. Only one country.

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[cumbo78]

1) There is NO Constitutional definition of “Natural Born Citizen)

2) Sighting foreign law in this case is necessary because the framers had to draw on something. Sighting it now is improper because we have an established legal system.

3) IMO, Obama is a natural born ciizen whose “story” is a fabrication, including who is father is. In addition, he more than likely attended college as a foreign student and is guilty of multiple frauds.

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[kara37]

Whoa I didn’t expect what I saw.She was ready with footage of people who knew Obama.She kept hitting and Trump kept hitting back.Trump won.
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She didn't want people to say she got steamrolled. I think she went overboard.

However, she is the first one that I've seen get under his skin. She better watch out, because I think she just made his hit list. He fights mean, and he holds grudges.

[pepsionice]

Only a suggestion....but it’d be curious to challenge every single employee of CNN to pull out their birth certificate....there’s likely to be a 100 percent group to bring these in. And I’d even go to the next step....challenge every single citizen of Cedar Rapids, Iowa....and there’d be a 100 percent completion except for those illegals there.

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[omegadawn]

Actually before the mid eighties children of illegals were not allowed to claim citizenship ( a informal policy change).In 2010 obama had immigration to formally put this on paper. It is now the official policy to allow children of illegals to become citizens. This is direct violation of the 14th amendment that requires that the parents have an allegiance to the U.S. for the child to claim citizenship.

All Natural Born Citizens are Native born.
But not all native born citizens are Natural born.

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[omegadawn]

Actually before the mid eighties children of illegals were not allowed to claim citizenship ( a informal policy change).In 2010 obama had immigration to formally put this on paper. It is now the official policy to allow children of illegals to become citizens. This is direct violation of the 14th amendment that requires that the parents have an allegiance to the U.S. for the child to claim citizenship.

All Natural Born Citizens are Native born.
But not all native born citizens are Natural born.

[longjack]

Title 8 Section 1401

I think the requirements before the 1986 amendment would apply to SAD and BHO Jr.

According to the 1952-1986 interpretation, the way I read it, Obama Jr. would be a citizen if he were born in the US, and if he were born outside the US to an out-of-wedlock SAD.

If SAD & BHO Sr. were married and BHO Jr. was born outside the US he would not be a citizen because the continuous residency requirement was 10 years in the US, 5 of which being after the age of 14 in that time frame.

Here's the amendment:

1986 - Subsec. (g). Pub. L. 99-653 substituted "five years, at least two" for "ten years, at least five".

Here's the effective date of the amendment:

EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1986 AMENDMENT Section 23(d) of Pub. L. 99-653, as added by Pub. L. 100-525, Sec. 8(r), Oct. 24, 1988, 102 Stat. 2619, provided that: "The amendment made by section 12 [amending this section] shall apply to persons born on or after November 14, 1986."

Aliens and Nationality - 8 USC Section 1401

It is possible that if BHO Jr. were born outside the US to a single SAD he would have a CRBA on file in Hawaii. That, I think, would explain a lot of the comments generated by Hawaii officials, because it's not officially a birth certificate.

[bushpilot1]

[x]

See Montesquieu's Spirit of Laws on the "confederate republic."

Vattel 1758

Montesquieu 1748

Montesquieu was a source for the idea of the "separation of powers" and was likely more important to the Founders than Vattel.

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[NOVACPA]

If SCJ’s can quote Vattel and Law of nations, I’m ok with it. LOL!

You should get on board, the house of cards is crumbling.

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[fatima]

I love to see head to head fights.The dumbest thing she said was 70 Percent of the people don't care about this issue.What a stupid argument.Donald said what about the other 30.She had no answer.