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Muzzies Don’t Like Their Fuzzies Touched
Randy's Right ^ | Todau | NC Gal

Posted on 11/14/2010 6:40:29 PM PST by RandysRight

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To: John Leland 1789
Do you ever get physicals from a doctor? Do you use public changing/locker rooms? Do you watch football and/or any other TV program or sitcom?

If you answered yes to any of the above, then what objection do you have to being searched? I agree, it is embarrassing, but the objective is to keep people safe. There isn't some mass conspiracy to save naked pictures of all people who travel in planes. If it can prevent attacks, then suck it up.

81 posted on 11/15/2010 10:06:44 AM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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To: vrwc1

You understand that the constitution gives rights from the people to the government and not the other way around, right?


82 posted on 11/15/2010 10:08:37 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Celtic Cross

Congratulations, you have been successfully desensitized.


83 posted on 11/15/2010 1:50:32 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: John Leland 1789
No. I am completely against fining opt-outs, background-checking opt-outs, ect. But if theres a place on oneself that one can stick a bomb, then the terrorists will certainly find it and try to smuggle a bomb onboard.

They need to lay off searching grannys and such, but the scanners and pat-downs should be available tools in certain cases.

84 posted on 11/15/2010 4:36:24 PM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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To: Celtic Cross
"Do you ever get physicals from a doctor? Do you use public changing/locker rooms? Do you watch football and/or any other TV program or sitcom?"

I didn't have time earlier to give you a full answer.

No, we don't watch television programming in our home. We have a TV set connected to a video player for homeschooling purposes, and carefully selected documentary, science, and history education.

No, we don't go to gyms or swimming pools, or other places where one must use a public dressing room.

A trusted doctor, a professional, who is concerned about our own complaint to him about a specific medical situation concerning us privately cannot be logically equated with the absolutely UN-professional, public pat-downs of our private areas in a public airport.

Even the Chinese have much more professional security personnel at their airports and public transportation areas. They are often in their early twenties, trim, immaculately dressed, very well trained, courteous, not self-willed in the carrying out of their duties, and not personally invasive. They DO profile, and they are very good at picking people out of lines based on a profiling system that is usually very hard to detect by common people passing through.

We fly around east Asia in our work often. The TSA agents in the USA could not pass the rigorous training of the professionals at airports in Asia. Bombs are not getting on planes in east Asia like they are in Europe and the USA, because the professionals there know exactly what they are looking for, and they know how to look for it without feeling people up.

But you may have missed my entire point of equal protection. Right now Muslims are going through checkpoints unmolested. My post with recommendations for Christian people was FOR Christian people who have standards of modesty and discretion. If your personal standards are not at that level, then it is not for you.

My point was that if Muslims can use their "religious" objections and go through un-touched, then devout Christian people also should be protected from public violation of their persons using and insisting upon their own convictions of faith and conscience.

Of course, I am not talking about the modern worldly "evangelical" or theater-schemed mega church person. I am talking about Christians who still hold to the standards of decency, morality, modesty and discretion to which their great-grandparents, grandparents and parents believed and held. And there are still at least hundreds of thousands of this type of individual around our country.

I was recently back in the States and coming through Chicago with my son was a Mennonite extended family: grandparents, parents, and children from teens to infants. They were dressed obviously in a much more traditional modest fashion than anyone else. Their deportment and bearing was also such that it stood out. Because my son and I were dressed similarly, we struck up a conversation with the grandfather, close to my own age, and we got in line at the security check-in with them to a connecting flight.

The TSA agents looked at the whole bunch of us very much differently (they probably thought that my son and I were members of that same family), and we were treated with a much different level of respect when going through, than was afforded most others in the same line.

It is not to be taken that we were not adequately checked for security purposes. It is that the attitude of the agents toward our group was much different. The agents were looking for ways to treat us most gingerly and with more respect.

This all was very obvious to others in line, and there were a half dozen quiet comments made in our hearing (not complaints, merely observations).

My son and I, along with my daughter who picked us up, discussed this difference for a solid hour from Indianapolis to our home.

I am writing this more for the benefit of other Christian people who may be reading this post than for your benefit alone, you understand, which is the mind set I try to use in all responses, since these posts are public.

I maintain my insistence to Christian people of traditionally and Biblically modest bearing, that we use our firm convictions in our protection from unwanted public molestation of our persons by TSA agents.

85 posted on 11/15/2010 5:37:55 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: vrwc1
"They have a Constitutional responsibility to provide for the common defense."

Certainly you are not of the opinion that agents of the federal government are actuaally serving to provide for the common defense.

If "the common defense" was the objective, we wouldn't have the open border with Mexico that we have.

86 posted on 11/15/2010 5:45:04 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: John Leland 1789

I didn’t say they were doing a good job of it.


87 posted on 11/15/2010 9:45:21 PM PST by vrwc1
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To: vrwc1

It is not even the good intention of the Obama administration to do a good job at defending our country; rather quite to the contrary.

Like every good communist, this administration evidently believes in fomenting chaos. It is a tenet of Stalinist and Maoist communism that the desired order is born of chaos, and they will foment it to achieve their ends.

I believe that is exactly what Obama and his buddies are doing. I believe that this is what they are attempting at the airports as well.


88 posted on 11/15/2010 10:07:09 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: vrwc1

Well, not in speceific words, but the framers anticipated problems like this, so they are covered. The constitution lists the few things the federal government was authorized to do and a system to extend those things by amendments. It ecplicitly reserves all other things to the states. Implicitly, the constitution forbids the very existence of TSA.


89 posted on 11/17/2010 12:36:26 PM PST by olprof
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