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Foreclosuregate -- The "Nothingburger" Defense Gets Destroyed
4closureFraud ^ | 10/9/2010 | Michael Redman

Posted on 10/09/2010 1:11:25 PM PDT by Chunga85

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To: Kartographer

So how do you think they will solve this?


When I was in Uganda, none of the title info was done during Idi Amin. They just learned to live with the gap in titling.

I have had my mtg sold, bought properties with mtg problems, they get solved. Not a new problem, Media wants you to worry........................


21 posted on 10/09/2010 4:10:40 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Chunga85

If someone isn’t paying the mortgage on their home, tell me why they shouldn’t be forclosed on, in spite of inadequate paperwork?


22 posted on 10/09/2010 5:09:49 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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The problem with some of the paper work is that there isn’t any. There have been so many take overs of the banks and mortgage companies that in many cases the paperwork has disappeared. Some of the homeowners are going to the foreclosure meetings with lawyers, demanding that the banks produce the original loan docs and they just can’t find them.


23 posted on 10/09/2010 5:19:02 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

If someone isn’t paying the mortgage on their home, tell me why they shouldn’t be forclosed on.


24 posted on 10/09/2010 5:30:57 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: norwaypinesavage

They should be foreclosed on.

But if two different banks show up, each claiming to hold the lien on the title (it’s happened), who gets the proceeds of the foreclosure sale?


25 posted on 10/09/2010 5:53:16 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Let the banks sort it out.


26 posted on 10/09/2010 5:56:34 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: sayuncledave
Originally...
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=168629

There is a fuller version of the interview here.

27 posted on 10/09/2010 6:12:05 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: norwaypinesavage

Hey, I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be foreclosed on, I’m saying that they cannot be foreclosed on without the original docs.

B of A issued a statement saying that they were not stopping the foreclosures, just delaying them until they straighten out the paperwork. That may not be possible in many cases. Maybe intentional destroying of loan docs by mortgage companies, maybe just lost paper work, but whatever the case, the banks simply cannot complete the foreclosures without the proper documentation that the people even owe the money.


28 posted on 10/09/2010 6:12:32 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

To me, there are two totally separate issues: 1) people aren’t paying their mortgage payments. 2) Banks have bundled mortgage paperwork and can’t always quickly trace ownership of the paper. I see these as separate. If people aren’t paying, they should be kicked out. If banks can’t trace their mortgage paperwork, they should negotiate that with the businesses that issued the mortgages.


29 posted on 10/09/2010 6:25:50 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Great so my best hope is that our Real Estate and Mortage systems is runned like that of a third world country. Please do me a favor and don’t try and confront me any more, I’m not sure I could take it.


30 posted on 10/09/2010 9:51:16 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: PeterPrinciple
Just read tonight were some people are finding that their mortgage has been assigned to two different sets of securities. And franking who is going to sort this mess out? The banks themselves? No way would I trust then to do it. The Government that would be almost as bad as the bank seeing how they occupy the same bed. And I am betting the wasn't 10,000 transaction in Uganda and we are talking millions in this mess. Also how much fraud ended up be comitted because of the lack of records?
31 posted on 10/09/2010 10:04:01 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: norwaypinesavage

Let me get this straight you want to allow who ever may or
may not be the legal lienholder on a persons house to be able to go to court without legally required paperwork or falsifyed documents and perjured statements claiming transactions which were never legally recorded as required by law or that were illegal post dating of legal records and get a foreclosure on that mortgage? So tell me why have the legal proscribed system at all if you are going to pick and choose when to follow it. Also tell me whats to keep someone from using the same methods to take houses that the owners are up to date on?


32 posted on 10/09/2010 10:23:12 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I’m not sure whether your post is making an argument or genuinely seeking advice.

If you are genuinely concerned about the state of your mortgage, you can check https://www.mers-servicerid.org/sis/ to see whether your mortgage has been sliced & diced. More than one “active” entry is bad news. Check to see whether the “servicer” matches your expectation.

So far all the problems seem to be from Bank of America, GMAC, and JPMorgan, so if your servicing agent is someone else stop worrying and pay your bills.

I would suggest not worrying too much unless you already see clear problems. The banks have royally screwed up, but they have a motivation to fix their mess. If you *do* see clear problems, contact either the bank or an attorney. There are all sorts of scams being advertised about forensic loan audits which I advise against.


33 posted on 10/10/2010 2:57:31 AM PDT by TennesseeProfessor
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To: Eva; norwaypinesavage

The *debt* remains, but not the lien, when the title is
corrupted. That’s my understanding.


34 posted on 10/12/2010 11:10:28 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: Kartographer

Excellent.


35 posted on 10/12/2010 11:11:50 PM PDT by cycjec
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