US State Dept Confirms: Obama “NOT” a US Citizen Prior to & in 1968

ConstitutionallySpeaking ^ | 9/24/2010 | ConstitutionallySpeaking

[screaminsunshine]

Does Levin think Obama is legit?

[taxcontrol]

Ahhhh, now that makes more sense. I was not aware that other docs were missing. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

[patlin]

He’ll never admit it! It’s all “POLITICS” to them even though they scream & cry about the destruction of our nation every day. It’s all “HYPE”. They are “NOT” true constitutional conservatives. They finally revealed their inner liberal leanings. You can not cry “FOUL” & then embrace only part of that which you claim to respect & cherish.

[peeps36]

I think they are practicing the don't ask don't tell policy themselves.

[mnehring]

This is a document for the mother after Zero was born. A parent’s actions can’t strip a child of birthright citizenship. He may not be NBC for various reasons, but this doesn’t make him a non-citizen.

[jamese777]

From the US State Department:

F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN
Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

[mnehring]

Thanks, I was just looking for that...

[Mr. Wright]

Imagine State=run media if this entire birther and citizenship issue were about G. W. — the media would be in a collective feeding frenzy right now!!

[jamese777]

Thanks, I was just looking for that...

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I’m glad that I could help.

[heartwood]

Why would Stanley renounce her son’s citizenship but not her own? It is possible that she considered him to have dual citizenship either Indonesian or Kenyan as well as US and that is why she crossed out his name.

When you consider all the Irish-Americans who applied for Irish citizenship and have not lost their US citizenship, or the immigrants who became US citizens and are still considered by their native lands to be citizens, or the children born here to immigrants (like the American born children of my French neigbors, who are French citizens according to France) - it is obvious that dual citizenship does not void US citizenship in practice.

When it comes to the presidency, maybe it is a different story. But I would not hold people liable for the decisions made in their behalf while they were children. If the French-American kid down the street wants to be president someday, let him renounce French citizenship. OTOH if his parents take him back to France, raise him as a French citizen, and he lives as a French citizen after the age of 18 - too bad for his presidential ambitions.

[patlin]

Again, you are trying to legitimize your usurper using “current” US statements of the State Dept. Show me where they say this from 1961-1968. Perkins v. Elg was the most current SCOTUS case at the time and thus the precedent for this case.

Just another lame argument coming from one who didn't even know the difference between "analogous" & "synonymous" in the WKA deciding opinion that has been misinterpreted for over a 100 yrs.

[patlin]

At the time, Indonesia did NOT recognize dual citizenship & you had to be an Indonesian citizen to attend school there. The change of name also implies that Lolo had formally adopted the lad. But this is only one piece of the corruption exposed. We need ALL of Dunham’s records prior to 1968 to get light on the entire scope of the corruption.

[Texas resident]

This whole issue could be resolved in a day IF obama wanted it resolved. He doesn’t. Why? who knows. Makes no sense, but it still is frustrating that all his records are sealed up and none of his media is even halfway curious about this guy.
Frightening part is that a precedent has been set to seat a President under a cloud of uncertainty of who he is or even if he is legally qualified to be President.

[angcat]

Citizen or not he still sucks.

[mnehring]

Section 349 that James quoted in 26 was passed in 1952 as part of the McCarran-Walter Act.

[patlin]

jameseeee, you just can't help yourself can you?

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part III > § 1481
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Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part III > Section 1481

§ 1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions

Title 8 of the US Code as currently published by the US Government reflects the laws passed by Congress as of Feb.1, 2010, and it is this version that is published here.

[Polybius]

Here’s one. Born in the US to an American woman from a foreign father. Then ADOPTED by an Indonesian man and resides in Indonesia. At this point he is now an Indonesian citizen. When he comes back to America he is in effect a NATURALISED American, hence unqualified to hold the office.

A parent cannot strip a child born in the U.S. of his U.S. citizenship. That birthright belongs to the child and not to the parent.

If Aristotle Onassis had adopted John and Caroline Kennedy, they would still have been U.S. citizens .... regardless of what Jackie and Aristotle did or did not do.

F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.

Obama is hiding his original birth certificate because it probably lists his birth name as "Barry Dunham". Since Obama, Sr. was already married in Kenya and bigamy is illegal in the U.S., the birth certificate may have even listed Stanley Ann Dunham as "Single".

If Rush and Hannity are not barking up the "not a U.S. citizen" tree, they are pretty sure that it is the wrong tree.

[aces]

I agree..pings..

[patlin]

It doesn't matter, there is still a “FORMAL” process that had to have taken place by either Obama's mother or Obama himself to renounce the foreign citizenship. Why do you think Obama doesn't want his school records exposed? Why do you think that he ONLY attended private school his entire life? It's not rocket science, its common sense.

[rolling_stone]

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/09/dwight-d-eisenhower-had-to-show-his.html

IKE had to show/file his birth certificate.....