There are one million and one “Reagan Republicans“¸ but where are the “Lincoln Republicans“?

JohnnyBibs ^ | Tuesday, August 24, 2010 in the year of JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY! | Daniel Benjamin Orris

[rockrr]

The south started the war by firing on Fort Sumter. And the term is ‘RINO’.

[Jay Redhawk]

How many died a Ft. Sumter? Zero except for one after action fatality. The destruction of property is not cause for invasion. You Lincolnites need to put your little manic-depressive tyrant away and concentrate on the present.

[stainlessbanner]

there are a few of us that stand in opposition to them.

lol

[rockrr]

I thought you were going to say that and nothing else...?

[Sherman Logan]

Fair enough. But winning elections requires a majority. And if you’re not working towards winning elections, what’s the point.

Might as well be Libertarians.

[Jay Redhawk]

I just couldn't resist. I think we Yankees and Rebs just need to have one huge national beer summit. Then I am sure we could work all these debates out and come to a common conclusion. Nah...that will never happen.

[rockrr]

Probably not. But the beer drinkin part sounds good ;-)

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

‘At best, he might rank in the high 20s to mid-30s in ranking . . . . . . at best!’

Since there have only been 19 Republican Presidents in all, it is impossible for anyone to be in the 20’s or 30’s of a best GOP President’s list.

[central_va]

there is nothing wrong with what Lincoln King George III did, which was to try and keep the Union Colonies united! I would have done just about the same if I was in his same position!

[JohnnyBibs]

there is nothing wrong with what Lincoln King George III did, which was to try and keep the Union Colonies united! I would have done just about the same if I was in his same position!

The differences between Abraham Lincoln and King George III are to the point that if you even compare the two synonymously, not only does it significantly diminish the appearance of King George III in terms of overall tyranny, but it is incomprehensible why any like-minded individual would make such a comparison!

Furthermore, you are also putting synonymous the Declaration of Independence by the Representatives of the United States Of America, with the secession by Democratic rebels in the U.S.A.!

To cement my point, I challenge you to do this:
--- I will list here the reasons the Representatives of the U.S.A. gave in their Declaration of Independence, to declare their independence from Great-Britain and King George III.
--- You are to point out through proof/evidence and examples the exact acts Abraham Lincoln has in common with King George III when Abraham Lincoln was President of the U.S.A. and when the U.S. were Colonies of Great-Britain, respectively.
--- If examples cannot be brought, then your statement is proven false!


...The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends...

[JohnnyBibs]

These Civil War threads have grown old so I will say this and nothing else:

Who started a Civil War thread?

There were numerous reasons for Southern secession,

Care to list them?

but the reason the war started was Lincoln’s invasion of Virginia.

Lincoln was already in Virginia, how could he have invaded? Please, with evidence show me how Abraham Lincoln invaded Virginia!

Lincoln started the war, and Lincoln republicans are all over the place today. We call them Rhinos.

Please, with evidence prove that Lincoln started the war! Also, please provide examples of “Lincoln Republicans“ that are actually RINOS and why they are “Lincoln Republicans“!

[Non-Sequitur]

There were numerous reasons for Southern secession, but the reason the war started was Lincoln’s invasion of Virginia.

That's like saying World War II started with the U.S. invasion of Iwo Jima. The Civil War started when the confederate government decided to attack Fort Sumter. Any other position is ridiculous.

[Non-Sequitur]

How many died a Ft. Sumter?

If the Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor, sunk all those ship and destroyed all those planes, but through some miracle didn't kill anyone would you say that it wasn't an act of war?

[DustyMoment]

Since there have only been 19 Republican Presidents in all, it is impossible for anyone to be in the 20’s or 30’s of a best GOP President’s list.

I was talking about the totallist - NOT just 'Pubbies.

[Sherman Logan]

the reason the war started was Lincoln’s invasion of Virginia.

Interesting theory. Kind of falls apart when you realize the state of VA had been committing egregious acts of war against the United States for well over a month before Union forces moved across the river from DC into VA, on May 27 if I remember aright.

Among other interesting facts, the governor of VA put state troops on the march against the US arsenal at Harper's Ferry and the navy base at Hampton Roads not only before VA had officially seceded, but even before the state convention voted for secession.

VA's secession wasn't final till it was ratified by the voters on May 23, but that didn't stop state officials from waging war on the USA for six weeks when they were still by any legal standard still part of the USA.