Posted on 08/15/2010 11:00:39 AM PDT by Man50D
obama has been able to block all court cases based on standing. Privte citizens do not as individuals have the right(standing) to question obama’s eligiblity. A federal grand jury could request obama’s birth records, but A.G. holder would then block and repeal the request. If you are already breaking laws , a few more means nothing.
Eric Holder has no impact on a state level Grand Jury investigation and there are no issues of standing on the criminal justice (fraud, election fraud, forgery, tampering with official documents, making false statements) side of the judicial system.
Finally, the Supreme Court did not reject 8 Obama eligibility appeals for lack of standing. They were all rejected at Justices’ certiorari conferences which usually means that there weren’t four justices who felt any of those appeals should make the cut as being important enough cases raising constitutional issues to be heard by the full Court. The Supreme Court listed no reasons for rejecting any of the eight Obama eligibility appeals.
The founding fathers created Article 2 of the Constitution to prevent foreign influence from affecting the White House and the office of the President. The did this by requiring BOTH parents of the President to be U.S. citizens. The progessive movement has been trying to change the original intent of Article 2 since obama became”president” ,but in reality there is no question what the founding fathers meant. CHILDREN OF CITIZENS(BOTH PARENTS) SHALL BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN. the naturalization act of 1790 added “that may be(including those ) born over seas.
Citizenship has allways been based on the citizenship of the Parents not the place of birth.
That is not so! The Fourteenth Amendment changed this with the clause that angers so many people about illegal immigration.
“That is not so! The Fourteenth Amendment changed this with the clause that angers so many people about illegal immigration.”
The clause is reflected in the current law of the land and there is not one phrase that mentions needing two American citizen parents.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html
Thank you. That was my point.
You are speaking too much sense. You will certainly be branded as a heretic by the Birther Brigades. They do not tolerate logic. You must accept their assertions despite the fact that they cannot be verified. They could be true, but maybe they are not true. No matter. No soup for you.
The 14 th amendment states that any one born on American soil AND SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF is an American citizen. It did not address the issue of Natural Born citizenship. What it does say is that any person born on American soil to parents that have allegiance (SUBJECT TO) to the U.S. is a citizen. A child may be granted citizenship from parents who are citizens(natural born) or from parents who have shown allegiance by immigrating or being naturalized. These are native born citizens.(Wong KIm Ark). IF obama was born in Hawaii with one American parent he is a native born citizen and ineligible to be the President.
Thank you. That was my point.
That is not the current interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment. A person born on American soil, who is not a diplomat, is an American citizen in the eyes of American law. Your interpretation strains at the intent of the writers of the Fourteenth Amendment, which was to prevent the former Confederate states from creating distinctions between citizens and former slaves. There are no classes of citizenship. You are either one or you are not.
I know this is awkward in light of the “anchor baby” problem, but this can be remedied by modifying the law so that only the mother, father, and minor siblings of such a child would have right of residence in the United States, and would have to become a citizen by the time the minor born in the U.S. becomes eighteen.
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A natural born citizen is a subset of the class of all citizens. The natural born distinction applies ONLY to the qualification for the office of president as described in Article II, section 1, clause 5 of the United States Constitution.
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
natural born Citizen
Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution
The 14 th amendment states that any one born on American soil AND SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF is an American citizen. It did not address the issue of Natural Born citizenship. What it does say is that any person born on American soil to parents that have allegiance (SUBJECT TO) to the U.S. is a citizen. A child may be granted citizenship from parents who are citizens(natural born) or from parents who have shown allegiance by immigrating or being naturalized. These are native born citizens.(Wong KIm Ark). IF obama was born in Hawaii with one American parent he is a native born citizen and ineligible to be the President.
There is no difference in the law between a born citizen and a natural born citizen.
US Supreme Court’s ruling in United States v Wong Kim Ark in 1898: “An alien parent’s allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin’s Case, 7 Coke, 6a, ’strong enough to make a natural subject, for, if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject’”
It is a shame and disgrace to this Nation that a publication such as the Globe is the means of getting public attention to even see a snitch of what BHO and his enablers, including those in the court system all the way to the SCUSA,have perpetrated on this Nation
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I do, however, plan to vote in the future only for candidates who provide documentation of their birth, education and past political associations to independent professional investigators, authorized to verify the facts, not to the speaker of the house or to their party leadership..
Perhaps we should review the loyalty oath also, with serious penalties for perjury.
I accept the distinction between natural born citizen and naturalized citizen. The issue is whether Obama is the former or not. I think we can’t prove it and won’t for decades.
He's a great big ZERO in every conceivable way.
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