Posted on 06/14/2010 1:18:36 PM PDT by STARWISE
This “problem” is a crime.
You are delusional in your attempt to make it anything else.
This man you are trying so hard to defend will go down. Please don't invite us to your “emotional pity party” when that happens.
Surprising how some think everyone is wrong accept Obama and the officials who could have asked for his papers. People here are relying on government officials to have done their duty when they spend all of their time on other threads pointing out what is wrong with most of those same officials. And they call me delusional. LOL!
The answer I want is to how you are doing these days.
Enjoying the weather?
How’s the family?
I assume you pursue this issue because you believe Obama is not qualified to be President. I think that's wrong, but fair enough. The distinction I think you are failing to make is between what you would like to see as due diligence from the law and what the law actually requires for due diligence.
That's not uncommon. I've turned down lots of cases that are pointless because the prospective client is envisioning the law as something other than what it is. As I've said before, the law isn't King Soloman’s court or some Oracle where you go to get the wise man to make it up on the fly because he's wise. The law is a process constrained by its sub-processes. It can't just do whatever it wants.
“So here's a fact, if I can be so arrogant as to present information to a scholar such as yourself. There are already ballot rules and qualifications in place, but they were not enforced. Do you understand the difference between having a law and then not enforcing it. It doesn't do any good to pass more laws when the officials can ignore them without consequence. If you don't understand and need an example see “illegal immigration.”
In California, the secretary of state has excluded people from the ballot before because their birth certificates indicated they did not meet the minimum age requirement for the office of president. Yet, in 2008, when confronted with information that a candidate may not be a natural born citizen, the current democrat incumbant did nothing, accepting a form signed by party officials who had every reason to not look into the issue.”
Ballot rules specify what level of verification is required. The substantiating official has no legal obligation to do anything beyond what those rules state. Legally, by definition, it is not negligence to limit oneself to what is required. If the rules don't say “as verified by submittal of candidate's birth certificate,” the substantiating official doesn't have to see one. Absent compelling evidence to the contrary, the stipulated facts of the candidates biography are an adequate basis for decision.
Now, you may not like that this is so. That does not change the fact that legally it is so. I vividly recall one poor, red-in-the-face business owner who insisted over and over that a state regulatory agency could not make him do something. I had the unfortunate task of telling him that, yes, legally they can, that questioning their authority to do so was a guaranteed loser as opposed to other avenues of appeal.
“That means she failed to carry out her ministerial responsibilities. This is what you are characterizing as my discontent. Of course you mean my discontent with the negligence committed by our government and elected officials.”
No, it does not. It means the duties that are defined for her do not seem satisfactory to you. You may think it is negligence, but legally it is not. Obama’s placement on the ballot met the legal requirements in place. If you don't like those requirements, work to strengthen them.
“Lastly, we need a USSC decision on the issue of the father's citizenship and whether or not the guy is a natural born citizen. Don't bother posting the links, I've read the threads. We still need a ruling and apply it to the 2008 situation. If enough people like you wake up and smell the coffee, perhaps this issue would get some traction. Instead you waste time arguing with people who want the constitution followed.”
We may need one, but we are extremely unlikely to get one. The Supreme Court's failure to accept any of the cases that would allow it to examine that issue to date is telling.
What I'm saying is that in the eyes of the law, the Constitution is being followed. And no one has a shred of meaningful evidence to the contrary. That's simply the cards on the table.
These trolls arguing with you are the same cast-of-dingbats who litter these threads with BS constantly.
They just follow their marching orders.....drink kool-aid, post anti-American baloney, repeat.
Useful idiots for the left. Nothing more.
“Useful idiots for the left. Nothing more.”
I have been know to cook a pretty decent meatloaf.
Do you use a glaze or leave it bare?
Go play with yourself somewhere else El Gordo!
No one....GET THAT! NO ONE is following you down your path of stupidity.
Well, except for your rat friends.
Well, I hope life’s treating you decently.
It’s June, so do try to get outdoors. Sunshine is an invaluable nourishment for the soul, wouldn’t you say?
There are rules about ballot registration. However the secretaries of state have the power to ask for more info. In the case of Cal, the secretary or her staff were aware of the allegations about Obama. Instead of clearing it up or asking for documents as had been done in the past, she chose to just accept a form signed by two democrat party officials. This is what passes for proof by you and what you are chosing to defend.
As I said to another poster, if I am wrong, then there is no harm and I'll move on. However, if you are wrong, you have supported a criminal gaining the most powerful position in government in the world. I will accept my risk, but I cannot accept yours.
The infamous spicy lemon glaze. No Top Chef, I, but it’s still pretty good.
Could we at least be generalized to vermin?
We shall have to swap recipes someday.
They’re awfully excited by their predictions of him being sentenced to hard time.
Now that Orly isn’t in the news for them to get off on, he’s their new pinup.
Sickening.
One of the liars.
Many of these have got to be hirelings. Posting history tells the tale.
A crime? Let me know when you get a conviction.
My advice since you’re new here is to completely ignore what 0thugga toady suckups say. It’s like stepping in dogs***, doesn’t clean up the mess and only aggravates yourself.
Their comments are as worthless as dogs***. Can’t even compost nicely like cow manure.
Tired of conservatives has posted nothing on FR other than 0thugga support. These guys all lie, post the same stinking crap over and over again, and distract normal sane conservatives with their puked up drivel over and over and over again. Their “arguments” - aka as puked up drivel - have been soundly defeated umpteen times by rational, knowledgeable freepers and they still drag the dead stinking carcasses of their lies in again and yet again.
Just avoid them as you would avoid a stinking rotten dead carcass that the dog shat on. My humble advice.
A conviction?
How about even an indictment.
Or an investigation.
Or even anything other than a polite brush off from an attorney general or district attorney.
If you go back and look, all of those convicted at Nuremberg were in the leadership. Other than the SS, most other defendants were released with minimal sentences if any. I would hope, if we ever do get Soetoro/Obama into a court and sent to Leavenworth, that he is joined by the DNC party leaders, some of his cabinet, and a few of the Pentagon Princes.
Just doing the job vetaran freepers won’t do (or know better.) LOL! Can’t take much more OB apologists today.
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