Posted on 06/05/2010 6:49:06 PM PDT by Red Steel
Because a couple weeks ago, you were soooooo adament that BO, Sr. FLEW into Hawaii!!!
I am sure Fred Nerks can show photos that that was NOT the case, hmmmm???
I concede the point that Serrano did ask the question about if he could run for president after I gave the transcripts a look over as none of the videos that I’ve seen have him saying it previously. However, you have to be a whacked-out Obot troll not to believe that Justice Thomas speaking for the court as in “We” are “evading” the issue and, he is not going on record for likely reasons that come to mind because of possible Obama eligibility cases that could be ruled upon in the near future.
“This is one of several such suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen as required by Constitution. See U.S. CONST. art. II, § 1. This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”—Chief US District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth in dismissing the Quo Warranto claim in “Taitz v Obama”—April 14, 2010
The appropriate way to challenge Obama’s eligibility to be president nearly two years after the certification of his electoral college votes and his swearing in is by attacking the validity of his Hawaii birth documents. That is best accomplished via a Grand Jury investigation, subpoenaeing his original birth documents and having them examined by experts with testimony taken under Oath.
If there is anything deficient, fraudulent or altered in Obama’s original birth documents, he can be indicted and if there is an indictment, even without a conviction, it is highly likely that a bill of impeachment would be drawn up by the House of Representatives. Civil suits do not result in findings of “high crimes and misdemeanors.” The Bill of Impeachment drawn up against Richard Nixon which forced his resignation and the Bill of Impeachment against William Jefferson Clinton were both charging perjury and obstruction of justice.
When plaintiffs filing complaints about any legal issue lose sixty-nine separate times in courts in all different types of jurisdictions by having their lawsuits dismissed for “lack of standing” and “failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted,” its obviously time for a change of legal strategy.
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.”—Albert Einstein
Yup. As Loren C pointed out, I fell for the birther tactic of allowing myself to get distracted by something totally irrelevant to the question at hand. My bad.
To answer your question, I don't know for sure how BO Sr. got to Hawaii, and neither do you or Fred Nerks. The most likely manner is by plane, given that's how virtually every other African student awarded the scholarship he was given got to the US. But do I know for sure? No.
But I really don't see why I or anyone else should care.
Why do you care so much about Obama Sr.'s mode of transportation?
NO, we do not take court dismissals by legal procedures and by not going to court on the merits of the cases against Obama as belief of the courts. You don't know what the judiciary really believes. The judiciary are sworn to uphold the law and not Obama's election. They lack courage for a variety of reasons. Being kowtowed by a liberal press into inaction and that inaction by those who are in power is not going to make Obama a legitimate president. Time is not on your side troll.
The more conservative, originalist and strict constructionist a judge, the less likely they are to invent powers not expressly given to them by the Constitution.
Yes. You're not making any clear point here... Having courage by taking the path where the sheep do not go is much harder to do.
“This is one of several such suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen as required by Constitution. See U.S. CONST. art. II, § 1. This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”—Chief US District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth in dismissing the Quo Warranto claim in “Taitz v Obama”—April 14, 2010
Judge Lamberth is not closed to an Quo Warranto case against Obama. Obama can still be prosecuted under the Quo Warranto writ.
The appropriate way to challenge Obama’s eligibility to be president nearly two years after the certification of his electoral college votes and his swearing in is by attacking the validity of his Hawaii birth documents. That is best accomplished via a Grand Jury investigation, subpoenaeing his original birth documents and having them examined by experts with testimony taken under Oath.
No election can override the US Constitution. Electoral college voters are highly partisan lot... and the swearing in of Obama was fumbled. Gee how did that happen? It was so simple. There is no validity to Obama's COLB. Hawaii has refused to say it is genuine. The Obama mouth piece Robert "Bagdad Bob" Gibbs called it as advertisement. Oh now, the Obama administration are distancing themselves to their forgery. When people have the courage to step forward against your pal Obama, he will be going down as the biggest con in history.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278969/posts?page=567#567
Excerpt:
“So a few of us gathered in New York and I became the executive director, and on the board of directors,” Mrs. Weiss said. With the initial support of two other families in Riverdale, in the Bronx, where Mrs. Weiss and her husband Peter lived, they started it.
“I worked with a man named Frank Montero and a woman raised in a Japanese concentration camp in California named Mary Hamanaka,” she recalled.
“We were very fortunate in that guy named Milton Gordon, who owned Lassie the dog — Lassie was quite a property in those days — and Milton had an office in the Seagram Building in New York and he let us have a room in his office. That’s where we worked from.”
The Weisses were no strangers to activism of this sort. Peter Weiss was on the board of the American Committee on Africa, “a very strong anti-colonial organization.”
“And I had spent my years at the University of Wisconsin at the international club setting up speaking dates for the few foreign students there, so they could have some pin money. I helped the few African students there organize a student union,” said Mrs. Weiss.
She also helped raise funds for Martin Luther King’s civil rights campaign. The Weisses were connected, as evidenced by the fact that Dr. King himself persuaded the Georgia university to take six students.
The cause of helping these African achievers to further their education was always closely connected to the civil rights movement. “This country in those days had hundreds of small white Christian colleges in the South, who would not take a ‘negro.’ But would take a foreign student. So I think these black African students helped open the door a bit.
“The first plane was paid for because Harry Belafonte, Jackie Robinson and Sidney Poitier, together signed a fundraising letter,” Mrs. Weiss said. “In that first group of 1959, 81 students came.”
“Barack Obama missed out on a seat on that first plane. Luckily the two teachers stepped in and raised money for him to come over on a parallel flight,” she said.
“He picked up the scholarship from the University of Hawaii. And while he was there, he needed money for books and tuition and clothes, some of which we sent him.
“So he wasn’t on the airlift, but he was a member of the airlift family.”
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Cora WeissCora Weiss is the wife of New York Lawyer, Peter Weiss, founder of the Institute for Policy Studies and daughter of Samuel Rubin, a funder of many left-wing organizations. Weiss was a director of the Samuel Rubin Foundation from its inception. She was also instrumental in the funding decision to create the Institute for Policy Studies. She gained notoriety as a leader of the Vietnam War era anti-American coalitions who traveled to Paris and Hanoi for repeated meetings with communist leaders...ETC...
The truth regarding how he may have arrived in Hawaii from the mainland would appear to rest on which lies we are prepared to believe, IMO.
Okay. So Obama Sr. came on a seperate flight, his ticket being funded by two teachers, not by Jackie Robinson et al.
Why do you find this so interesting? And more importantly, what does this have to do with his son's natural born status?
The “welcome” photo on the dock with Armour Dunham present, before Sr. ever touch Stanley Ann???
Someone is currently taking that image apart, trying to id when that was taken...there’s always been a question mark over whether it was on arrival or departure. Some of the people in that image have now been identified...however, examination shows that several appear to have been added to the composition.
He either arrived or left by ship from a dock, that much is evident.
If it’s an arrival image, in 1959...it’s odd to see Stanley Armour standing there. Notice, the image has been tampered with, where OSenior had his arm around Stanley Armour, the remains of where his coat was, can still be seen. O Senior has an added arm holding a briefcase.
If it’s a departure image, why would there be any need to hide the obvious friendship between the two men? Stanley Armour is supposed to have been his father-in-law...sarc.
It’s an enigma, as is everything to do with the life of zero.
http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv47/MissieBessie/LGE.jpg
Fred, thank you, however, I never heard they use Lei for departure, it’s a greeting gesture???
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2528691/posts?page=208#208
I have also always been under that impression, and that would make the need to obscure the friendly relationship between OSenior and Stanley Armour, in 1959, all the more perplexing...and possibly indicate they knew each other very well before arrival.
My personal estimation is that O Senior did not come straight from Kenya to Hawaii. He came from the US mainland, and how long he was there and just where he might have been is another question.
According to this website:
Prior to jet services, most visitors arrived and departed by steamship. “Boat Day” was a gala affair and the harbor docks were always crowded with friends, hula girls, musicians and lei sellers. It was a ritual for departing passengers to wait until their ships passed Diamond Head and then to throw a lei into the sea. If it drifted back to shore, it meant that one was assured of returning. Also, by throwing their leis toward shore, visitors felt they were returning a portion of aloha they received while visiting.
http://www.alohavip.com/hawaiian-lei.cfm
thanks, interesting...but did the captain and the crew take part in the farewells? The presence of an officer and crew on the dock seems to suggest he was boarding or disembarking from a cargo ship that carried passengers, and OSenior was known to the ship personnel, doesn’t it?
Questions and more questions that poke our curiosity and we’ll probably never find an answer to. It’s too bad one of the people in that group doesn’t come across that photo and share their remembrance of the event. But then there is the possibility of that being a totally fake photo with 0 Sr’s head being photoshopped onto someone else’s body too since you have already pointed out that someone has doctored his left arm and there is the party photo with 0 Sr where his head looks identical to this one but just a little different in tone.
Your argument is with the ignorant US Supreme Court, who wrote the passage you quote, not with me.
BTW, you need to learn grammar, not to mention common courtesy.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly, that all ... persons born within the territory of this commonwealth and ... all infants wheresoever born, whose father, if living, or otherwise, whose mother was, a citizen at the time of their birth shall be deemed citizens of this commonwealth...
IOW, birth in the territory to any parentage constituted citizenship, and so did birth elsewhere to a mother or father citizen. This law is actually less restrictive than present laws.
Nice parsing of the law there. You are now welcome to return to politijab, drconspiracy or what ever obot cave you crawled out from.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly, that all white persons born within the territory of this commonwealth and all who have resided therein two years next before the passing of this act, and all who shall hereafter migrate into the same; and shall before any court of record give satisfactory proof by their own oath or affirmation, that they intend to reside therein, and moreover shall give assurance of fidelity to the commonwealth; and all infants wheresoever born, whose father, if living, or otherwise, whose mother was, a citizen at the time of their birth, or who migrate hither, their father, if living, or otherwise their mother becoming a citizen, or who migrate hither without father or mother, shall be deemed citizens of this commonwealth, until they relinquish that character in manner as herein after expressed: And all others not being citizens of any the United States of America, shall be deemed aliens.
IOW...birth prior to the passing of the law and subsequent to taking an oath of fidelity. Those born after the law were either citizens through their citizen parents or were aliens until thier parents naturalized. What an idiot, can't even read plain english.
I disagree with your reading of the language, but I don’t have time to continue the conversation.
Have a nice day.
One final question.
Do you seriously contend it is not possible to believe two things at the same time:
Obama is an ongoing disaster as president.
He is a natural-born citizen and was fully eligible for election.
Is every single person who believes Obama was legitimately (though foolishly) elected a denizen of “politijab, drconspiracy or what ever obot cave you crawled out from?”
If you do believe these things, do you realize you are insulting and alienating the vast majority of your potential supporters? Do you realize doing so would be an excellent strategy if you were really an Obama supporter? Are you an Obama supporter working undercover?
It took you a week to come back with a response by parsing the words of the law and now you say you don't have time. Bwahahaha....IOW, "you don't have time" means you must again run to your cronies to have them help you come up with a way to justify your position aka more parsing of the law to make it look like the US adopted a feudal definition of citizenship when ALL own Declaration of Independence clearly states that our nation was founded on God’s laws and those of Nature.
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