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From where did the framers get the definition for the Constitutional term "Natural   Born    Citizen" as written in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5?

Vattel!

1 posted on 05/12/2010 12:36:54 PM PDT by rxsid
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Founder Robert Yates on our Constitution, the law of nations, quitting one's citizenship (1776), natural born Citizen and Vattel, published in the 1797 Hall's Wilmington Gazette:

BRUTUS was a pseudonym for Robert Yates.


361 posted on 05/10/2011 1:26:59 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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Letter from Hon. Augustus B. Woodward (Justice in Michigan frontier) to Colonel Henry Procter (British Army officer).

Sandwich, February 10th, 1813


370 posted on 09/07/2011 4:03:17 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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If simply being born in the U.S. were enough to be considered a "natural born Citizen", then the current Dauphin of France, as considered by the Legitimists, Prince Louis Duke of Burgundy would be considered POTUS eligible.

French Royal Family
Legitimist

Prince Louis was born in New York City, 2010. Yet, his father is a French and Spanish citizen (but not a U.S. citizen) and his mother is Venezuelan.

If the French decided to have another restoration of the House of Burbon, the King of France would be considered POTUS eligible.
Or, if Louis Alphonse were to be elected POTUS 1st...and then the French decided to restore the crown...wow!

Imagine that. The King of France and the President of the U.S. as one in the same.

Is the current Dauphine of France considered POTUS eligible?


Coat of arms of the Dauphin of France.

I believe the founders and framers would be repulsed by such a notion.

455 posted on 02/01/2012 5:32:18 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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Notes of a course of lectures on Vattel's Law of Nations from the University of Virginia

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x000883938;view=2up;seq=54;skin=mobile

Click the side of the pages to go backward or forward.

534 posted on 02/02/2015 10:01:45 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
Just adding this to the Vattel research thread.

From John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 24 July 1785 To Thomas Jefferson

Grosvenor Square July 24th. 1785—Dear Sir. I have a Letter from the Baron De Thulemeier of the 19th. and a Copy of his Letter to you of the same date. I hope now in a few Day’s to take Mr. Short by the hand in Grosvenor Square, and to put my hand to the [Tr]eaty. I think no time should be lost. We will join Mr. Dumas with Mr. Short in the Exchange if you please.

I applyed as you desired, and obtained the interposition of the Lords Commissioners of the treasury, and the Commissioners of the Customs for the transhipping of Dr. Franklin’s Baggage. We have heared of the Doctors arrival at Rouen, but no further.1

{The Britons alliens Duty is a very burthensome Thing, and they may carry it hereafter as far upon Tobacco, Rice Indigo and twenty other Things, as they do now upon oil. to obviate this, I think of Substituting, the Words “natural born Citizens of the United States,” and “natural born Subjects of Great Britain,” instead of “the most favoured Nation.” You remember We first proposed to offer this to all Nations, but upon my Objecting that the English would make their ships French or Sweedish or Dutch &c to avail themselves of it, without agreeing to it, on their Part, We altered it to the footing of “Gentis Amicissimæ.[”]2 But if the English will now agree to it, We shall Secure ourselves against many odious Duties, and no ill Consequence can arise. it is true the French Dutch Sweeds and Prussians will of Course claim the Advantage, but as they must in return allow Us the Same Advantage, So much the better.— let me know if any Objection occurs to you.}3

There is a Bill before Parliament to prevent smuggling Tobacco, in which restrictions are very rigorous, but cannot be effected.4 two thirds of the Tobacco consumed in this Kingdom I am told is smuggled— how can it be otherwise when the impost is five times the original Value of the Commodity. If [one] pound in five escapes nothing is lost. if two in five, a great profit is [made.—]

the Duty is 16d. pr. pound and tobacco sells for three pence.— Yet all applications for lowering the Duty are rejected—5

Yours most affectionately

John Adams

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550 posted on 10/23/2023 2:18:47 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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