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Is Sarah Palin trying to save California from itself?
TheCypressTimes.com ^ | 05/10/2010 | Stacy Drake

Posted on 05/10/2010 1:57:51 PM PDT by Patriot1259

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1 posted on 05/10/2010 1:57:51 PM PDT by Patriot1259
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To: Patriot1259
I now totally understand her rational for making the decision she did

Pet Peeve: The word is "Rationale", not "rational".

2 posted on 05/10/2010 2:01:39 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Patriot1259
do not present existential threat to the United States

On the other hand, I have no clue what DeVore meant by "existential" in this context. He obviously didn't mean it in the context of the philosophy of existentialism, because the usage would then be better as "presented only an existential threat to the United States", as opposed to a rational or emperical threat.

But if he means that the threat doesn't "exist", he is just flat-out wrong. He might argue that their threat is only marginal, but "existential" just means that the threat exists, not how serious a threat could be.

Of course, I don't understand what his point was supposed to be anyway -- is he arguing that we should make nice with Al Qaeda?

3 posted on 05/10/2010 2:06:32 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Patriot1259

I think CA is probably a lost cause.


4 posted on 05/10/2010 2:06:49 PM PDT by highlander_UW (First we take down the Democrats, then we clean the Augean stable that is the GOP.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

My pet peeve is editors who don’t properly edit. As a technical writer, I see all kinds of misspelled or mis-used words in articles.


5 posted on 05/10/2010 2:15:34 PM PDT by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: Patriot1259
Thank you. As a fellow San Diegan I have also devoted time to advocating Carly's cause on this Forum.

I believe Carly is the best candidate. Her positions on important issues are in concert with those of most Freepers, and she is the candidate most likely to defeat Boxer. In support of those opinions, I have helped raise a not insubstantial number of dollars for her campaign.

However, at the end of the day, if she trails DeVore by a statistically significant margin in the last poll taken before the primary election, I will personally urge her to withdraw and endorse Devore. Campbell is simply unacceptable.

I hope very much that DeVore will receive similar advice if he trails Carly in that poll.

6 posted on 05/10/2010 2:15:46 PM PDT by p. henry
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I think he meant it as in “The Taliban and AQ do not threaten the existence of the US” as say the USSR did with their vast nuclear arsenal. They could have wiped us out in minutes, the Taliban and AQ can’t.

Now, I disagree with that, but that’s what I’d guess he meant.

I also think way too much is made over the reason behind her endorsement here. I’d guess that Fiorina and her campaign reached out to her and sought the endorsement(or maybe the Susan B Anthony list and other pro life groups. She’s speaking at the SBA fundraiser in DC and they endorsed Fiorina). I doubt she decided to endorse Fiorina on her own and called her up and said “I’m endorsing you whether you like it or not”.

Then she saw that Fiorina’s positions are solidly conservative(pro life, for repeal of the health care bill, anti cap and trade, pro border security/anti amnesty, pro 2A and gun rights, pro military, pro death penalty and tough on crime, etc...)and that was that.

Also, the CA race will be high profile race in a big state and Fiorina is one of the few conservative/pro-life women running and it makes sense she’d be inclined to endorse her. She’d also probably be inclined to endorse Sue Lowden in NV, Jane Norton in CO, Kelly Ayotte in NH, etc... I’m pretty sure Linda McMahon is pro-choice, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she endorsed her either, she seems pretty conservative otherwise. I mean is anyone really surprised that she’d be endorsing other GOP women?

I don’t think it was all that complicated.


7 posted on 05/10/2010 2:17:33 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: DallasDeb
My pet peeve is editors who don’t properly edit. As a technical writer, I see all kinds of misspelled or mis-used words in articles.

It's so bad that I've seen the phrase "pet peeve" rendered as "pet peas."

8 posted on 05/10/2010 2:18:38 PM PDT by Disambiguator (Progressivism, Socialism, Marxism, Communism - it's all shades of black.)
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"Of course, I don't understand what his point was supposed to be anyway -- is he arguing that we should make nice with Al Qaeda? "

No. He was talking about the "end game" in Afghanistan, and how that is defined. This sentence was excerpted when he was more broadly describing the current situation in Afghanistan and what the role of the US military would be with respect to nation building, and he highlighted that building a democracy would take 100 years in Afghanistan.

He quite clearly states that we should kill our enemy, wherever they are but we should avoid nation building. This story links to the video from where the sentence was excerpted.

9 posted on 05/10/2010 2:20:48 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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Well, what DeVore said was here... until someone pulled it ... :-)

Chuck Devore: Taliban and Al Qaeda DO NOT present existential threat to US


10 posted on 05/10/2010 2:22:41 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Don't kid yourselves. Cali can't be saved from it's indiscretions no matter how many RINOs run the place.

Even if all you needed was payment of the $500 billion in pension funding.

Let the illegals and Hollywood have it and get the F out.

11 posted on 05/10/2010 2:24:06 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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'Now, I disagree with that, but that’s what I’d guess he meant."

It's probably a matter of semantics and context. While it's true the Jihadis don't, and won't ever posses the kind of lethality we saw with our former enemies, to certainly include the Soviets, they are clearly a danger. Asymmetric warfare especially when nuclear potential is there, is nothing to dismiss.

But, some people believe that we should rebuild both Iraq and Afghanistan the same way we rebuilt Japan and Germany. This, I disagree with, entirely, and I believe DeVore does as well. I think this is point he's trying to make. DeVore points out that the industrialized complex found in Japan and Germany are completely absent, therefore Afghanistan will never be able to raise massive navies and armies against us.

I think it's wise to keep some operating bases in both countries, from where more precise or limited strikes can be carried out against people who would otherwise have shelter in a quasi-failed state. But, in Afghanistan in particular, we will NEVER defeat the Taliban. They - or their ilk - have been there for thousands of years. They aren't going away. We should learn to become a nuisance and impediment to them, but not an occupying army.

12 posted on 05/10/2010 2:28:45 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand; CharlesWayneCT; SoCalPol
The link to the video in the story ...

Chuck Devore: Taliban and Al Qaeda do no present existential threat to US




That is nothing but pre-9/11 "thinking" that got us into this trouble in the first place ... thinking that they were no threat to us... yeah! until they did that on 9/11 ... hoo-boy!

And yet again, it's exactly this type of "thinking" that Chuck DeVore exhibits here, that will lead to the next major attack on the United States by either the Taliban or Al Qaeda or any of the Muslim terrorists working out of that general region.

The Bush Administration made a real point of that (i.e., the threat being very real and existential) ... and we could be talking about weapons of mass destruction, like biological, affecting millions upon millions of people, or nukes, taking about two or three or four major metropolitan areas.

But, even if they did take out three major metropolitan areas, at once, with nukes -- would that cause the U.S. to cease to exist... nope! However, it would exist in a radically different world, afterwards -- just like that radically different world after 9/11.

Apparently some people want to have that happen first -- before they perceive an "existential threat" to the U.S. -- it sure sounds like "pre-9/11 thinking" to me... and so, I think that's a sure sign that many have slipped back into that disinterested thinking of pre-9/11...

And if we've got this guy, Chuck DeVore in that pre-9/11 thinking too... as evidenced by what he just said -- then we don't need him in the U.S. Senate, at all.

13 posted on 05/10/2010 2:32:09 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Don’t be fooled, support Chuck DeVore for U.S. Senate!


14 posted on 05/10/2010 2:38:51 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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Taliban seems like mission creep that started with al Queda.


15 posted on 05/10/2010 2:41:29 PM PDT by ex-snook ("You will know they are Christians by their love.")
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To: OldDeckHand

BTTT


16 posted on 05/10/2010 2:42:10 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Obamunism: You have two cows. The regime redistributes them and shoots you dead)
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To: Star Traveler

Well said.
DeVore not having the background in National and International affairs to be a Senator. Having done some service in the Army to payback money for his schooling and
not being in any war zones or any combat does not make any special qualifacations. Chuck is also out of the loop as far as current stratgy in dealing with the affairs we face.


17 posted on 05/10/2010 2:48:05 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Patriot1259

StacyD finding more creative ways to get pulled articles re-posted, I see.


18 posted on 05/10/2010 2:49:14 PM PDT by skeeter
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“I think CA is probably a lost cause.”

Not necessarily. It was California who gave
the world Ronald Reagan. And, if we can make
it known to the majority of our voters just
what and who is responsible for our economic
woes we just might get this thing turned a-
round.


19 posted on 05/10/2010 2:50:27 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: Patriot1259
From 1986 to 1988, DeVore served in the Reagan Administration as a Special Assistant for Foreign Affairs in the Department of Defense. In that capacity, he worked on Capitol Hill and traveled to Europe, Africa, Asia and Central America.

In 1988, DeVore was the public liaison director for the Congressional campaign of Reagan's Senior Associate Counsel Chris Cox. After Cox won the election, DeVore served as senior assistant to Cox during his first term. DeVore graduated from the U.S. Army's Military Intelligence Officer Basic Course and Advanced Courses, the Combined Arms Services School, and the Command and General Staff College. His overseas military service included deployments to Panama and Korea. In 1990-91, during the Gulf War, DeVore was deployed to Fort Irwin, California where he was assigned to the Opposing Force (OPFOR).

Obviously Devore doesn't know what he's talking about.

20 posted on 05/10/2010 2:53:10 PM PDT by skeeter
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