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Birthers Verus The Electoral College
Just One Minute ^ | 4/21/10 | Staff

Posted on 04/21/2010 11:10:17 AM PDT by pissant

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To: danamco

A little bump in your theory. obama is not listed on the hospital records of any hospital in Hawaii (court doc’s) and is not listed as to having been issued a CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE on Hawaiian records(court doc’s). Of course none of this really matters as a Natural Born citizen is someone born to American citizens( both parents). This is the reason they a certified birth certificate , to prove obama’s father was a kenyan national, making obama ineligible to be president.


41 posted on 04/21/2010 3:14:35 PM PDT by omegadawn
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To: Mr Rogers
"I thought ‘failed to qualify’ referred to not having enough Electoral College votes, but I don’t know that and can’t find any info quickly on it."

There is no such thing as a "President elect" until such a time that the Congress ratifies the results of the electoral college votes. The Twentieth Amendment then instructs Congress to verify that the President elect "qualifies" for the office of President. This can only mean one thing as there is only one place left in the Constitution referring to Presidential "qualifications" that are not health related. Article two, section one:

"” No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

To satisfy meeting the requirement of the twentieth amendment to “qualify”, a president elect must present evidence that he meets it’s requirements for eligibility to serve. It is the burden of the President elect as it is he who either fails to qualify or not. You can only fail at something you are attempting, not the actions of another. This means that a proper birth certificate HAD to be presented by the president elect in order to serve as president. In fact, without establishing whether or not the President elect is "qualified", Congress would not know whether or not to step in and name a temporary replacement as the Amendment requires. Certainly, this means that the proof of "qualifications" must be presented to Congress.

If this was done, where is that certificate and to whom was it presented? If this was done, why would we not have the right to verify and inspect it under the freedom of information act?

If it was NOT done, then under the provisions of the twentieth amendment, Barrack Obama has “failed to qualify” and is not president of the United States of America, but a usurper.

42 posted on 04/21/2010 4:08:00 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: pissant

bump


43 posted on 04/21/2010 6:59:50 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or ...off..)
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To: illiac; SvenMagnussen

Seems very simple, because of of Barry’s CLN, he could not and cannot produce a SS-5 or I-94 form???


44 posted on 04/21/2010 7:08:27 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: pissant

notice they have to say ‘birther’ they can’t say constitutionalist


45 posted on 04/21/2010 7:17:02 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or ...off..)
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To: pissant

It doesn’t matter if the car wouldn’t start or not. Papa wasn’t an American Citizen so Junior is NOT eligible. Period. The end. Finite.


46 posted on 04/22/2010 5:47:16 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: pissant

An additional problem highlighted by all this is the amendment requiring direct election of the president by the people of the USA. My understanding of early America was that the people of a given congressional district elected the most president-like person in their electoral district to be their elector/presidential-stature candidate. These people then gathered in Washington and from the number of “electors” they themselves voted one of them (or another stellar American) to be president. If there was a tie, then the Congress broke the tie.

To prevent confusion, the 12th amendment required one vote for president and another vote for VP from each of the electors.

This system was destroyed by the advent of political parties and their concerns for their party rather than for the good of the nation.


47 posted on 04/22/2010 6:10:38 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: pissant
I do think the anti-Birthers have a reasonable Constitutional argument here.

Citizens vote for Electors, not for candidates. "Barack Obama" may have a legal existence in the several states, depending on their election laws.

But "running for President" has NO Constitutional existence, nor do "tickets" or "parties".

It is the Electors who evaluate the "candidates", not the voters.

48 posted on 04/22/2010 6:19:28 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Let tyrants shake their iron rod, and slavery clank her galling chains)
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The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for reelection.

Wrong. The bill would require any candidate who wants to be on the ballot to provided documentation.

Birther or not, how can this be a bad thing? I’m actually surprised that this wasn’t already a requirement in all 57 states.

49 posted on 04/22/2010 6:30:48 AM PDT by TankerKC (I think P. T. Barnum had his time off by about 59 seconds.)
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To: pissant
Meanwhile, the most transparent Administration in history is either fueling partisan rancor for their own benefit or hiding something.
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If rancor is Obama’s goal, then he has MISUSED and WASTED Department of Justice resources and U.S. attorneys valuable time. He has done this when plots were being laid to blow planes out of the sky, and KILL soldiers on their bases and recruitment centers.

If rancor and political dirty trick has been Obama’s goal, I don't think the American people will be amused! The DOJ and their attorneys should be out protecting the American people and going after the bad guys. They should not be trivial pawns in the game of political “gottcha”.

50 posted on 04/22/2010 6:30:54 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Kansas58
Actually, in NO STATE that I am aware of, do the “Electors” appear on the ballot.

You may be correct, but it was not always so. I remember voting for Gerald Ford's electors, using an old fashioned, put an "X" in the box, paper ballot, in a volunteer fire department's station. That ballot had the names of those electors. But of course it is a small state and only had 4 or 5 electoral votes (has 5 now).

51 posted on 04/22/2010 7:35:40 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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