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DOOMED FROM THE START?
Tenth Amendment Center ^ | Mar. 18, 2010 | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

Posted on 03/19/2010 8:36:22 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake

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A worthwhile read IMHO.
1 posted on 03/19/2010 8:36:22 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake
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To: 17th Miss Regt; 2001convSVT; 2ndDivisionVet; A_Former_Democrat; A_Tradition_Continues; ...

Last ~~ping~~ of the night — probably.


2 posted on 03/19/2010 8:38:15 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Great read. Good to still have access to written history.


3 posted on 03/19/2010 8:50:30 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ForGod'sSake
When Obama said that the US Constitution was a " flawed document " was he nodding to the same sentiments as Hamilton ?

( Hamilton did not get his way, of course, thanks to the Jeffersonians. When the Constitution was finally ratified, creating a federal instead of a national or monopolistic, monarchical government, Hamilton denounced the document as “a frail and worthless fabric.” ) .....
4 posted on 03/19/2010 8:56:04 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: heartwood

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5 posted on 03/19/2010 8:56:14 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: American Constitutionalist
When Obama said that the US Constitution was a " flawed document " was he nodding to the same sentiments as Hamilton ?

They were probably cut from the same piece of cloth; each believing in the almost absolute supremacy of a "national" government. I pray the States, encouraged by We The People, and the SCOTUS retain enough backbone to fight off the latter day Hamiltonians.

6 posted on 03/19/2010 9:05:24 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
No wonder the progressives want to lie and tell the people that " the US Constitution is a living and breathing document " because it says whatever they " DEEM " it says....

( The first Big Lie that Webster told was that “the Constitution of the United States confers on the government itself . . . the power of deciding ultimately and conclusively upon the extent of its own authority.” ) ....
7 posted on 03/19/2010 9:15:49 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: ForGod'sSake

As a sub-mediocre student of history, I find it remarkable...endlessly remarkable...that the Founders foresaw just about everything that could happen in their new nation; governed by their new Constitution; and wrote about and discussed and speculated about their concerns as to what would/might/could happen.

I am sure that if I were a far more diligent student than I am, my amazement would only grow. This is really one vile bunch of brazen sick scumbags we have running the place in DC.


8 posted on 03/19/2010 9:16:04 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Good article. My 2 cents:
The states preceded the federal government and created it, as the people created government in their own states from positive law. Preceding postive law was natural law, e.g. that government “gives us” no rights and possesses only those rights that we give it.
The Declaration of Independence preceded the framework given us by the first Americans, and it recognizes morality throughout, while the Constitution is a pure creature of positive or manmade law.
Presumed in the Constitution, however, is that citizens are—and must be—moral people. In a moral vacuum, tyranny results. A tyrant, whether a regent, aristocracy or oligarchy will take as much power as it is allowed. In a totalitarian state, members aid in their own subjugation and actually encourage it, while discouraging liberty, because they have actually returned to a state of nature in which they do not know the difference between freedom and slavery. http://www.free2pray.info/5founderquotes.html


9 posted on 03/19/2010 9:23:08 PM PDT by tumblindice (Americas Founding Fathers--armed conservatives)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Indeed. The point being of course, the ink wasn’t even dry on our Constitution before the attacks on it began. Had it not been for Patrick Henry and his fellow Federalists and patriots, we would probably have not even gotten our Bill of Rights. Factoid: Patrick Henry ALMOST didn’t attend the Consitutional Convention because he feared a railroad job from the “nationalists”. Good thing for us he changed his mind.


10 posted on 03/19/2010 9:26:55 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
As a sub-mediocre student of history, I find it remarkable...endlessly remarkable...that the Founders foresaw just about everything that could happen in their new nation; governed by their new Constitution; and wrote about and discussed and speculated about their concerns as to what would/might/could happen.

Not many people know just how well traveled and erudite most of our Founders were. And as was custom at the time, almost all spoke several languages. In addition, and should be obvious given their creation, most were also students of human nature and the human condition.

This is really one vile bunch of brazen sick scumbags we have running the place in DC.

Agreed, and thanks in no small part to the human condition. Tyrants never sleep; We The People did. We are paying the price for our lack of vigilance, no?

11 posted on 03/19/2010 9:36:29 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
In essence, it all comes down to this:
The " THE PEOPLE " is not the possession, or property of the state or government, only the GOD of Israel reserves that right..... and once the government declares it's self as god, then, the GOD of Israel has to show who is boss......

THE PEOPLE, the CITIZENS is NOT !!!! the possession, or property of any state or government...

The all mighty GOD of Israel will have the last say and judgment.... not the state, or government....
12 posted on 03/19/2010 9:38:08 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: ForGod'sSake

I’m sure we agree on darn-near everything but I don’t look to Calhoun for enlightenment. Not a good guy. An unrelenting advocate for slavery. He drove this nation apart. Andrew Jackson threatened to “hang from the highest tree” those who spoke of succession.


13 posted on 03/19/2010 9:41:02 PM PDT by rae4palin (islam is of the devil)
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To: tumblindice

Just so. Too many of our fellow countrymen prefer to be “kept” by their betters. I believe however, there will always be those amongst us who would rather not become involved in the daily struggle required to remain a free people. It’s when the government reduces itself to buying votes from these parasites the fall begins.


14 posted on 03/19/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: American Constitutionalist
The all mighty GOD of Israel will have the last say and judgment.... not the state, or government....

Even so, come, Lord Jesus...

15 posted on 03/19/2010 9:52:21 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: rae4palin

I wouldn’t discount a man’s opinion soley because he coincidentally happened to support a common practice of his day. Is there anything in particular re his stated positions in the article you disagree with?


16 posted on 03/19/2010 9:58:45 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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Andrew Jackson threatened to “hang from the highest tree” those who spoke of succession...

And we sent 25,000 solders down to Charlestown to meet his challenge..Jackson backed down and shut the h-ll up..

17 posted on 03/20/2010 12:15:37 AM PDT by triSranch (Live from the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
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To: triSranch

Never happened.


18 posted on 03/20/2010 12:27:50 AM PDT by rae4palin (islam is of the devil)
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I might add that because Jackson pushed to hard John C's wife set up Jackson's demise..Jackson's wife had a tea party of her own..which cause Jackson to end up being shot..
Jackson couldn't control his temper and she knew it..

Pay back served up cold..

19 posted on 03/20/2010 12:34:24 AM PDT by triSranch (Live from the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
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In November 1832 the Nullification Convention met. The convention declared that the tariffs of 1828 and 1832 were unconstitutional and unenforceable within the state of South Carolina after February 1, 1833. Furthermore, attempts to use force to collect the taxes would lead to the state’s secession. Robert Hayne, who followed Hamilton as governor in 1833, established a 2,000 man group of mounted minutemen and 25,000 infantry who would immediately march to Charleston in the event of a military conflict. These troops were to be armed with $100,000 in arms purchased in the North

Governor Hayne in his inaugural address made it clear where South Carolina stood:

“ If the sacred soil of Carolina should be polluted by the footsteps of an invader, or be stained with the blood of her citizens, shed in defense, I trust in Almighty God that no son of hers … who has been nourished at her bosom … will be found raising a parricidal arm against our common mother. And even should she stand ALONE in this great struggle for constitutional liberty … that there will not be found, in the wider limits of the state, one recreant son who will not fly to the rescue, and be ready to lay down his life in her defense.[


20 posted on 03/20/2010 12:42:36 AM PDT by triSranch (Live from the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
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