Posted on 03/05/2010 4:25:45 AM PST by Spaulding
If you don’t understand the concept of threshold in law, you should consult a law professor or sign up for some classes.
The concept is fundamental, and a bit of contemplation will inform you that it’s extremely important in legal interpretation.
It’s this easy: do we look the other way while some brainwashed narcissist (who wants to tear down the country in retaliation against his parents who abandoned him in childhood) signs up for the presidential election, or do we apply a very high standard—that is, threshold—of proof that he’s eligible?
Anyone who says we should apply a low standard (and that’s all you antibirthers have done with your thousands of hours on this website) better come up with a good reason, and address it directly and specifically.
I like the way you characterize the issue. I would add: we are seeking the truth and seeking the truth is an inherent human drive. All of those who don’t want records open are fighting something which will not disappear because of distractions and a few setbacks.
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Sorry , but the two classes of citizenship is Natural Born and naturalized. You can be native born ,but not a natural born citizen. Example Wong Kim Ark case where he was born in the U. S. to parents who had legally immigrated to the U.S. but was not yet U.S. citizens. The Supreme Court declared him a NATIVE born Naturalized citizen. Both parents must be U.S. citizens to be considered Natural Born.
'Cause that's the way the founding fathers wrote the Constitution. They provided the electoral college and Congressional certification as protections. If that failed, the Constitution lays out a process to get rid of a sitting president, impeachment.
Perhaps if birth certificates were common in the late 1700s, the founding fathers would have required a candidate present his to prove that he met the citizenship requirements, but they didn't.
But these protections are not a low threshold—they are quite high, at least as originally intended. Our problem is that a speaker of the house, and some recruited gangs and mobs, has stretched her hairy arms way up and bent the thing down to a very low level, so that scoundrels and rapscallions and low down criminals can scamper right over it.
Why should we accept such artificial standards?
Why do you anti-birthers not consider the security of our nation to be a very high priority?
Oh it goes well beyond Nancy Pelosi and must then include every Senator, Congressman, and Dick Cheney himself.
The Congress is scheduled to meet in joint session in the House of Representatives on January 6, 2009 to conduct the official tally of electoral votes. The Vice President, as President of the Senate, is the presiding officer. Two tellers are appointed to open, present and record the votes of the States in alphabetical order. The President of the Senate announces the results of the vote and declares which persons, if any, have been elected President and Vice President of the United States. The results are entered into the official journals of the House and Senate. The President of the Senate then calls for objections to be made. If any objections are registered, they must be submitted in writing and be signed by at least one member of the House and Senate. The House and Senate would withdraw to their respective chambers to consider the merits of any objections according the procedure set out under 3 U.S.C. section 15.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/procedural_guide.html
It's good to see some of the other Senators being brought into the discussion pertaining to the 14th Amendment or the run up to it. There's more Senator discussions that can be used against the likes of EnderWiggins and his band of trolls.
They know he’s hiding stuff. They’re helping him hide it.
There’s been so much action tonight I missed this until now.
And you’re no doubt in the land of Nod by now.
They’re not even attempting to disguise their motives any more.
Pansy has said s/he’s an attorney. I didn’t see it because I don’t sully my brain by reading it’s spew, haven’t for a long time. But others have verified that he made that claim.
Since you portray yourself to be so smart on the subject, why do you not tell us what Wong Kim Ark has to say about what a “natural born Citizen” is rather than just citing it.
Most of it is about English "natural born subjects".
Thought I'd checked that spelling of Gray. Well no matter, I did read it. I'm tired of being told I didn't read it, or didn't comprehend what I'd read.
But it's still dicta. It's also mostly about English common law, which in turn is about what it takes to be a Natural Born Subject. Americans are not subjects. It's in the interest of the King to have more subjects, so the criteria reflects that. Americans are the sovereigns, and it may not be in their best interest to have additional sovereigns, with possible split loyalties. Plus the dicta also contains citation to and a quote from Minor v. Happersett (1874), 21 Wall. 162, 166-168
At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of [p680] parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents.
Thus defining "natural born citizens", not "natural born subjects", as "all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens"
According to the media so take that for what it’s worth.
Thanks for the re.
Was at the VA for med. treatment yesterday, did not do a follow up on this sub.... thanks for bringing up to date.
Listened to Rush yesterday but, only for five min. between breaks. I did hear him (Rush) mention something about Roberts but, it wasn’t on this sub.
There is one thing I’ve learned here on FR, if you want a lot of reply s on any given sub. just make a post pertaining to the birther issue. Of course you have the nay sayer’s but, a funny thing about them, they discredit anything and everything, even with documents of long study such as this.
The nayer’s say we should spend our time on other more important issues, health care, the debt, un-employment and many others. Yet, they spend a hell of a lot of time responding to this sub.????? Now again, who’s wasting time ?
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