Posted on 01/24/2010 7:51:38 AM PST by Kartographer
Ping, though you probably have most of this information. Some interesting posts, though.
>>[Windmills] nearly never put out as much power as the proponents say they will.
And they don’t necessarily generate WHEN you’d like to use power, so if your talking off-the-grid capability, you need some way to store energy. Battery banks are expensive and must be replaced periodically.
Around here, that’d only be about 1-2% of the time.
We’re kind of weak in the sunshine department, especially in the winter, but rarely lack for wind.
IMO, some electricity would be better than none. If the town could at least provide most of the time for the residents, that would work for me.
Thanks CCC for this:
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Check out this $40 Rocket Stove demo: http://www.tacticalintelligence.net/blog/rocket-stove.htm
... this stove uses very, very little in the way of twigs and small sticks.
I told one of my liberal acquaintances that I'd shoot him coming up the driveway. Don't even bother. I've been preaching the gospel of preparedness for years. Anybody who hasn't had ears to hear is no problem of mine. Whether I'll actually be able to enforce that, in a day I sincerely pray never comes, I don't even know myself.
GREAT LITTLE STOVE. WELL DESIGNED. VERY EFFICIENT.
One of those products that is done precisely right.
Never in the history of mankind have people been so vulnerable when it comes to food as today. (I have a son who is a long hauler for the largest refrigerated company in the countrty. If you knew how precarious the trucking industry is right now - you would be VERY frightened. I’ll give you one clue. Over a half million truckers lost their jobs last year. The media and the gov’t is very silent on what is happening across the country.)<<<
So true, in 3 days of a major truck strike, there will be no food in the warehouses and stores.
The Gov. has it all planned to take control of the food warehouses that are privately owned and to control the food supply.
That has been set up since the 1950’s for the cold war.
I lived in San Diego then and they said we had a 3 day food supply in the entire system......and then we were a small town.
Blogger’s acct. of raising pigs
http://coalcreekfarm.com/2009/04/pigs-on-coal-creek-farm-and-im-not-referring-to-my-children/
I'm still searching for the law/order under which a citizen would be considered a criminal hoarder for being prepared. Have you come up with an answer, maine-iac7?
http://corditecountryshownotes.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/executive-orders-and-food-hoarding/
Excerpt:
So Where Do Anti-Hoarding Laws Come In?
These ideas of anti-hoarding legislation may have stemmed from two areas of confusion:
First is from Executive Orders in place dating back to 1939 which Clinton grouped together under one order, EO #12919 released on June 6, 1994.
The following EOs all fall under EO#12919:
10995–Federal seizure of all communications media in the US;
10997–Federal seizure of all electric power, fuels, minerals, public and private;
10998—Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment;
10999–Federal seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks, or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways
Not only did I read the entire blog entry that you exerpted, I downloaded and read EO 12919 in its entirety. Nowhere in this document is criminal food hoarding mentioned. Furthermore, I can find no direct reference to EO 11098, which the blog contends "falls under" EO 12919.
As I posted to you previously, EO 11098 was revoked in its entirety by EO 11490.
As a matter of fact, the blog entry that you cite specifically admits that only in a "roundabout way" can be government "tell us how much food and supplies we can keep". This paragraph is also a part of the blog entry that you have linked us to:
"These EOs are not aimed at anti-hoarding but rather at seizure or confiscation of items and facilities “to provide a state of readiness in these resource areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States.” You’ll find most ’seizure’ legislation ends with this phrase. These Executive Orders don’t define what specifically constitutes a national emergency and maybe this is as it should be. The specifics on hoarding are left up to the individual states."
So I am still left with with questions regarding your original comment on this matter. You stated that "It's already written into law" ... "Those who have stored supplies will be deemed criminal HOARDERS - and there supplies taken." Again I ask you to direct us to the text of this law. It is not found in the link you most recently provided.
Many folks on this forum are now taking food storage and self-sufficiency more seriously than in the past. To make statements that we may be deemed criminals in times of the very emergencies for which they are preparing, should be supported in some substantial way, or disregarded as irresponsibly made ... don't you think?
Why?
Just because they have a lot of weapons?
Hell my neighbors have lot's of big cars, airplanes, and tractors.
More people are killed and disfigured by those three things...than guns here in the U.S.A.
You would really need to go back to the very beginning of the thread and follow the whole conversation. (It was part of a running joke)
No harm no foul.
and to hunt, dress and process meat.
I grew up deep in the north woods with my grandparents - Grampa was a Maine Guide in addition .
I have a friend now, also a guide - and writer, author of foraging/wild plants books - who lives in the forrest - built his own home, grows, hunts, fishes, forages for 90% of his foods - dug his own trout pond and a separate hatchery pond.
Hmm - who will better weather a crisis: Him or some billionaire in the big city?
I have never envied the rich. Indeed, I feel rather sorry for them....but not too! ;o)
I took my son hunting over the holidays, hoping the boy would bring down his first deer. Kudos to him, he did (first shot, first kill, just like his mother!) We were at in my in-laws, my hubby was unable to go with us. I had the neighbor fella teach me and the boy how to skin it (I was always the first one to drive the venison straight to the butcher) then I set forth and processed the whole thing myself. I didn’t do too bad a job if I do say so myself. Put alot of meat in the freezer, and all the dogs were fat and happy off the bones.
I SO admire you!
LOL!
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