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The Bitpig Rant: Fixing Haiti
brucelewis.com ^ | 2010.01.17 | Bitpig [B-Chan]

Posted on 01/17/2010 2:30:27 PM PST by B-Chan

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Note: Haiti's white population was eradicated by the victorious black revolutionaries in 1804.
1 posted on 01/17/2010 2:30:29 PM PST by B-Chan
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To: B-Chan

Voodoo is part of their problem.


2 posted on 01/17/2010 2:40:48 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: B-Chan
Having lived through a major quake myself (Northridge '94, 6.6 Richter) . . .

We 'lived through" Northridge, too, and it was by no means major. What happened then cannot be compared to what happened in Haiti.

3 posted on 01/17/2010 2:43:35 PM PST by Misterioso (To deal with men by force is as impractical as to deal with nature by persuasion. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: B-Chan

Over a century ago a leading U.S. diplomat described Haiti as a “public nuisance on our doorstep.” His observation is still true today.


4 posted on 01/17/2010 2:47:36 PM PST by conimbricenses
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To: B-Chan

As far as whether France would do that, I doubt it! When Reagan was president, I mean, I’m thinking of Granada -

... quoting from Wikipedia ...

The Invasion of Grenada, codenamed Operation Urgent Fury, was a 1983 U.S.-led invasion of Grenada, a Caribbean island nation of just over 100,000 population located 100 miles (160 km) north of Venezuela, triggered by a military coup which ousted a brief revolutionary government. The successful invasion led to a change of government but was controversial due to charges of American imperialism, ...

—— I thought for sure it was spelled “Granada” but I guess I’m wrong! ... Maybe something like this would have happened back in Reagan’s time, but I doubt that France or anyone else will, now.


5 posted on 01/17/2010 2:49:19 PM PST by zorro8987
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To: zorro8987; B-Chan

And Obama hates the idea of “American imperialism.”


6 posted on 01/17/2010 2:50:40 PM PST by zorro8987
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To: Misterioso
What happened then cannot be compared to what happened in Haiti.

Sure it can. In size, the two earthquakes were very similar. The only significant difference is that California generally builds structures that are up to earthquake code and Haiti does not. If Haiti simply built stuff up to code this would have been a significantly smaller disaster.

Furthermore, the only reason Haiti does not implement them is because it is a politically and culturally dysfunctional basket case. It's not like the technology isn't there, or the proper building techniques are not known. They simply didn't see the need to implement them even though they knew they lived on a fault, and money that could have been used to up their building standards was instead poured into extravagant palaces for their dictators...which were also not built up to code.

7 posted on 01/17/2010 2:52:51 PM PST by conimbricenses
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To: Misterioso
What happened then cannot be compared to what happened in Haiti.

Sure it can. In size, the two earthquakes were very similar. The only significant difference is that California generally builds structures that are up to earthquake code and Haiti does not. If Haiti simply built stuff up to code this would have been a significantly smaller disaster.

Furthermore, the only reason Haiti does not implement them is because it is a politically and culturally dysfunctional basket case. It's not like the technology isn't there, or the proper building techniques are not known. They simply didn't see the need to implement them even though they knew they lived on a fault, and money that could have been used to up their building standards was instead poured into extravagant palaces for their dictators...which were also not built up to code.

8 posted on 01/17/2010 2:52:58 PM PST by conimbricenses
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To: B-Chan
Biologically, Haitians are just as capable of building a successful country as anyone else.

With an average IQ of about 72, I'm sure that will be happening any day now.

There are very sound and well-understood reasons why the successes of Western civilization can't just be magically replicated in any random third world backwater.

9 posted on 01/17/2010 2:54:01 PM PST by bornred
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To: conimbricenses; Misterioso
Sure it can. In size, the two earthquakes were very similar. The only significant difference is that California generally builds structures that are up to earthquake code and Haiti does not. If Haiti simply built stuff up to code this would have been a significantly smaller disaster.

Furthermore, the only reason Haiti does not implement them is because it is a politically and culturally dysfunctional basket case. It's not like the technology isn't there, or the proper building techniques are not known. They simply didn't see the need to implement them even though they knew they lived on a fault, and money that could have been used to up their building standards was instead poured into extravagant palaces for their dictators...which were also not built up to code.

Spot-on observation.

10 posted on 01/17/2010 2:54:55 PM PST by thecodont
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To: bornred

Their IQ matches that of the average politician.


11 posted on 01/17/2010 2:55:31 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: B-Chan

“Nor are they related to a voodoo curse”

I still say Voodoo is the problem.


12 posted on 01/17/2010 2:56:07 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: B-Chan
It's the culture.

Uhuh just like it is the culture of Zimbabwe, South Africa, Somalia, Detroit, New Orleans and a whole bunch of other places...

It is just an amazing coincidence I'm sure that this 'culture' is shared in so many places.

13 posted on 01/17/2010 2:59:07 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: conimbricenses

The similarity in size to which you refer is just an artifact of the logarithmic nature of the Richer scale. In fact, a 7.0 Richter quake (like the one in Haiti) releases just under TWICE the energy of a 6.7 Richter quake (like the one in Northridge).

Otherwise, the rest of your post is spot on, in my opinion.


14 posted on 01/17/2010 3:01:22 PM PST by Jubal Harshaw
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To: B-Chan

Only once in modern history was the government of Haiti honest and fair. This was when it was run by the United States Marine Corps.

The first United States occupation of Haiti began on July 28, 1915 and ended in mid-August, 1934.

American President Woodrow Wilson sent 330 U.S. Marines to Port-au-Prince on July 28, 1915. The specific order from the Secretary of the Navy to the invasion commander, Admiral William Deville Bundy, was to “protect American and foreign” interests. However, to avoid public criticism the occupation was labeled as a mission to “re-establish peace and order...[and] has nothing to do with any diplomatic negotiations of the past or the future” as disclosed by Rear Admiral Caperton.

For the next nineteen years, advisors of the United States governed the country, enforced by the United States Marine Corps.

Almost needless to say, the Haitians wasted no time in returning Haiti to its pristine state of violent and chaotic poverty.


15 posted on 01/17/2010 3:03:49 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: conimbricenses
I'll concede that 6.7 can be termed Major, but just barely. My reaction was to the description of having "survived" Northridge. Compared to the destruction in Haiti, the use of the word survive made me laugh.
16 posted on 01/17/2010 3:27:09 PM PST by Misterioso (To deal with men by force is as impractical as to deal with nature by persuasion. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: darkangel82

“Their IQ matches that of the average politician.”

And that is the reason we have so many problems in DC.


17 posted on 01/17/2010 3:35:29 PM PST by Wahoo82
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To: Altura Ct.
I agree Altura. I certainly see the similarities in your list.

No one wants to talk about the elephant in the room but some people are not capable of running a modern society.

18 posted on 01/17/2010 3:38:24 PM PST by Wahoo82
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To: Wahoo82

So here’s an observation. Switzerland and Haiti have about the same land area if you subtract mountains. The populations are close. Haiti has 9 million and Switzerland 8 million. What would happen if all the Swiss were moved to Haiti and vice versa? I say say in one generation Haiti would be like Switzerland is today and Switzerland would have poverty and snow. So the problem isn’t the places; its the culture and people that live there that is the problem.


19 posted on 01/17/2010 4:14:31 PM PST by JeanLM
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To: mamelukesabre

“It’s the culture.” says the author, and as you point out, voodoo is a big part of that culture.


20 posted on 01/17/2010 4:16:54 PM PST by Persevero
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