On "Birthers," Heed "Radio Patriot," Not Glenn Beck

WEB Commentary ^ | January 6, 2009 | Michael J. Gaynor

[MHGinTN]

Sadly, that is one of the most disappointing posts you’ve ever made at FR, that I’ve read! If a Russian child is born in Hawaii, is that child eligible to become president? ... Just being born in Hawaii doesn’t make one eligible according to the founders use of the term ‘natural born citizen’. But of course, if, like Beck, you just want to ridicule and insult folks, continue your ‘dumb’ remarks. And for goodness sakes, don’t do any digging into the facts of the issue when you can pass gas, er, judgment so readily.

[sushiman]

Obama appreciated Glenn’s loyalty yesterday, because czars can not hurt Obama...his ineligibility CAN.

[chuckles]

There are several “spillers” so far. Just no one listens to them. His own grandmother said she was there when he was born,.......in Kenya. There are several African newspapers that have been captured before they were “cleansed” from the archives that declare him “Kenyan- born Obama”. The mayor of the town he was allegedly born in is building a shrine for him.

Now I'm not saying he was born in Kenya or not, but I am saying we already know for sure his father was born in Kenya and lived there most of his life. That makes Obama Jr. not eligible to be president. " Natural Born Citizen" is quite plain in law as both parents must be citizens of the US and the child must be born in America. Even if his mother wasn't married to Senior, his father will never be American. All he has to do is show a REAL Birth Certificate and all will be cleared up. IMHO, the courts don't want a revolution, so they throw up resistance to try to keep the republic together a little longer. I don't think they realize the damage that they are doing right now.

[Ramius]

No... I’ve got no faith in gubmint to have vetted anybody. Obviously, the media utterly failed to vet this guy. He’s the ultimate empty suit.

Curiously enough, there isn’t actually a “vetting” process for Presidential candidates. Perhaps there should be.

[sushiman]

No , YOU are dumb , or a Commie tool !

[montag813]

Obama could whip out a gold-plated long form Hawaiian birth certificate signed by God himself and it won't make Taitz, Berg, Kreep, Apuzzo, Donofrio and the rest of this jolly gang go away.

Gary Kreep is the nuttiest of these, running wacky infomercials featuring an ex-con preacher and his truly creepy, midget self. Recall that Gary Kreep was also deeply involved in the Minuteman Project fundraising "irregularities" (to be charitable).

[DaveTesla]

Center column 3rd paragraph down:

Source:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=071/llcg071.db&recNum=2
>! you have to turn to page 1291 !>

According to the the principal framer (John Armor Bingham )of the 14th amendment, particularly
the Citizenship and the Citizenship Clause (Defining who was a citizen of the United States) and by Mr. Obama’s
own admission he is not a Natural Born citizen.

“Bingham states: I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill],
which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the
jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language
of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen… . . – John Bingham in the United States House on March 9, 1866”

[MHGinTN]

Ease off ... Ramius is neither of the despicable things you accused of. A pro-life conservative is soemthing you need to learn to recognize. It is also human nature to want to believe something if it is perceived to make less waves.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

When the daly machine ran this guy they knew there was no vetting process and him being black made any accusations against him racist which scares all the pc crowd to death.There is just so much,too much lack of info on this guy that it is unbelievable to me and others I know.We were raising hell about this guy way before the election and it just fell on deaf ears.Never underestimate the brazeness of politicians of either party to screw the citizenry over.Just look what steele is trying to do now.What a pathetic rino he is.

[Ramius]

...but I am saying we already know for sure his father was born in Kenya and lived there most of his life. That makes Obama Jr. not eligible to be president. " Natural Born Citizen" is quite plain in law as both parents must be citizens of the US and the child must be born in America.

Sorry, but that is simply not true. "Natural Born Citizen" is only used to distinguish it from a "Naturalized Citizen". The founders needed to exclude any British from the Presidency... to keep a loyalist brit from somehow getting elected and undoing the revolution. Beyond that... they didn't have some special sort of citizenship requirement. Apart from "naturalized" and "natural born" citizen there have never been any other "kinds" of "citizen".

[sushiman]

You lick Glenn Beck’s boots , too ?

[Drew68]

Gary Kreep is the nuttiest of these, running wacky infomercials featuring an ex-con preacher and his truly creepy, midget self. Recall that Gary Kreep was also deeply involved in the Minuteman Project fundraising "irregularities" (to be charitable).

Distanced from the eligibility issue, virtually all these characters have been involved in various scams, conspiracies and other shady dealings in their pasts. Yet they're held up as "patriots" to a small but vocal demographic of this forum. Embarrassing, really.

[dschapin]

The grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1 has nothing at all to do with the citizenship of the delegates’ parents. It has everything to do with the fact that when the delegates were born there was no United States - it didn’t come into existance in any form until 1776. Further it would not come into final form until after the Constitution was adopted. So, the grandfather clause was necesarry because virtually no citizen’s alive at the adoption of the Constitution would have been considered natural born without it. This whole attempt to redefine natural born citizenship to require that a child’s parents were both U.S. citizens is just silliness.

[DJ MacWoW]

Actually the DNC sends notices to every state that the candidates are eligible. Obamas were signed by Pelosi. Some have been posted on FR. BUT, there was one posted where the clause about Constitutional eligibility had been removed.

[Ramius]

Thank you.

[MHGinTN]

;^) Nice try! ... Glenn wears sneakers more often than not. And I don't linger over everything Pastor Manning spittles, either.

[Ramius]

Exactly.

[CaptainK]

I'm talking about the general public. Not a group of determined litigants.

HE continues to make the entire situation suspicious. If John McCain could present his official BC because of the questions surrounding his birth place why can't Obama.?

[Electric Graffiti]

An interesting exchange I saved from Leo Donofrio’s blog.

“- naturalized citizen

[Ed. An alien comes to this country, follows the laws to become a citizen, swears an oath and becomes a naturalized citizen.]
***as provided by Law

- 14th Amendment native born citizen

[Ed. A person is born on US soil to alien parents who are legally and permanently domiciled here as in the Wong Kim Ark case (although the case should be overturned) - or a person is born on the soil of citizen parents... either child is a 14th Amendment citizen but only the child born of citizen parents is also nbc and as such the 14th amendment was not necessary to make him a citizen]
*** as provided by Law

- statutory citizen

[Ed. a person born abroad of at least one US citizen parent.]
**** as provided by Law

- natural born citizen

[Ed. born on the US soil to citizen parents]

****Natural Born Citizen is the ONLY one attained naturally by NO act of Law .. By Blood and Birthplace..”

Natural Born Citizen status only has relevence in regards to the qualifications for the Vice-President and the President of the United States. It is NOT A RIGHT it’s a REQUIREMENT. It was put in the Constitution to safeguard NATIONAL SECURITY.

[WVPatriot]

What part of the following don’t you understand?

“Bingham states: I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill],
which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the
jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language
of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen… . . – John Bingham in the United States House on March 9, 1866”

Quite clearly any human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States who owes allegiance to any foreign sovereignty can not be a “natural born citizen” which excludes such individuals from being eligible to be President of the United States of America.