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Net Neutrality Hypocrisy
Shout Bits Blog ^ | 10/18/09 | Shout Bits

Posted on 10/19/2009 8:28:10 AM PDT by Shout Bits

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1 posted on 10/19/2009 8:28:11 AM PDT by Shout Bits
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Glenn Beck is suppose to be discussing this today on his show. I don't trust this administration when it comes to any type of media.
2 posted on 10/19/2009 8:31:33 AM PDT by opentalk
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Why would Google advocate for Net Neutrality?

Because privileged government-created monopolies are trying to shake them down, and they are quite correctly petitioning the government to protect their property rights.

Dunno how much the government monopolies paid the author to churn out this tripe, but I hope it was a fair price in exchange for the sacrifice of his dignity and reputation.

3 posted on 10/19/2009 8:31:54 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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To: Shout Bits

What, may I ask, is “hyporcacy?” Possibly “hypocrisy”? The dictionary or a thesaurus is our friend.


4 posted on 10/19/2009 8:32:01 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Obama, when you lie, we're going to call you out)
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To: Shout Bits
With ever expanding applications for bandwidth, service providers cannot profitably offer unchecked access.

Nonsense. Most ISPs in Europe and East Asia -- operating under higher taxes and stricter regulation than the US -- do that just fine. Maybe the executives have to get by with just a half-dozen Lexii, but their customers actually get the service they bought and paid for.

5 posted on 10/19/2009 8:33:46 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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To: Shout Bits
service providers like AT&T oppose being told how to run their networks that they must fulfil their end of the contract with their customers.

Fixed it for you.

6 posted on 10/19/2009 8:35:47 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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You can have net neutral bandwidth restrictions (both total daily or monthly along with limitations on continuous operations). The Net Neutrality fans (like me) worry most that the big ISPs aren't just selling bandwidth, they also sell other services that aren't over the internet. Usually the two high speed providers in any area are the local monopoly phone company and the local monopoly cable company. They each provide voice telecommunication services separate from the ISP, so they have a financial reason to give less priority/kill outright voice over internet phone calls to force users to go back to the higher cost provider. Similarly, the cable company (and now the phone company) sells pay per view movies and the monthly television service, so they have financial reasons to prevent people from downloading even legal movies from places like NetFlix or watching television shows over Hulu or the networks' sites.

I'm paying for internet bits, not bits excluding those which compete with my internet provider's paid services. It shouldn't matter to the cable company's ISP division whether I'm receiving a gigabyte of a television show so I don't have to bother with my cable subscription or getting a gigabyte from Windows for the latest upgrade. The bandwidth costs them the same no matter the source. But they have, and without net neutrality will start doing much more, stomped on competitor's data.

7 posted on 10/19/2009 8:41:02 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Soon everyone will win a Nobel Peace Prize for not being George Bush...well, except for George Bush.)
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8 posted on 10/19/2009 8:41:49 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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Net neutrality ... same crappy service for all. One of the consequences will be, you will not be able to buy better, faster service, you will use and pay for the same crap for all.


9 posted on 10/19/2009 8:42:35 AM PDT by Tarpon (To destroy the people's liberties, you poison their morals ...)
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Net neutrality ... same crappy service for all. One of the consequences will be, you will not be able to buy better, faster service, you will use and pay for the same crap for all.

No, you can still have tiered service under net neutrality. The ISP can sell 128kbps & 1GB/month at a different price from 10Mbps & 1 TB/month service. They just can't decide that some packets' sources are either competitive with their paid services so get downgraded/lost or provide a kickback to the ISP to get higher priority.

I consider the lack of net neutrality to be like Microsoft Internet Explorer preventing downloads of a Linux distribution or a copy of Firefox or even looking at Apple websites because they are competitors.

10 posted on 10/19/2009 8:47:16 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Soon everyone will win a Nobel Peace Prize for not being George Bush...well, except for George Bush.)
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To: Shout Bits

“Hyporcacy”?? Sounds like a serious condition, but I have no idea what it is.


11 posted on 10/19/2009 8:47:26 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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THis was a great article to explain what “net neutrality” really means.

I had mistakenly thought it just meant that service providers had to give other internet information providers equal access to their networks, so Comcast for example couldn’t provide it’s own high-bandwidth movie downloads but block movie downloads from Netflix.

A service provider aught to be allowed to enter into freely agreed-to contracts with their customers. If I want to pay less for my service, and am willing to exchange download bandwidth, I should be able to do so, and if Comcast wants to limit my neighbor to the contractually specified bandwidth so that my downloads aren’t held up, more power to them.

If I don’t like them, I can switch to FIOS, or have a T-1 line run to my house. And if Comcast illegally blocks me when my contract doesn’t allow it, the government can support me by enforcing my contract, not buy increasing regulation and interfering with my right to freely associate with private business in the manner I choose.

The answer to excessive regulation is not MORE regulation, but less.


12 posted on 10/19/2009 8:48:01 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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I see no reason why any ISP would improve their system under net neutrality ... same crappy service, get same money from all customers.

Internet innovation goes out the window ... net neutrality is government run internet, and intentionally rationed.


13 posted on 10/19/2009 8:52:26 AM PDT by Tarpon (To destroy the people's liberties, you poison their morals ...)
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Internet providers have the right to do with their property (networks, routers, switches etc) what they want. However, full disclosure should be required.


14 posted on 10/19/2009 8:54:02 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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What is the point of Net Neutrality? Seriously, I’ve never heard anyone tell me why. Why bother? Unless, of course, it’s a Trojan horse. Which no doubt it is. But at least the Greeks gave the Trojans a reason to accept the horse. What the heckfire is the rationale for this garbage?


15 posted on 10/19/2009 9:14:14 AM PDT by Tublecane
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What is the point of Net Neutrality?

ISPs are talking about charging web sites (more) money in order for their sites to be "fast" to the customer (that's you).

Net Neutrality is pending legislation (I think), or at least the concept, to ensure that ISPs cannot block, or slow down packets from other ISPs, or web sites that have not paid them payola to keep the sites fast.

Net Neutrality will ensure that Comcast will continue to allow dishnetwork.com to be responsive to customers who may be shopping for an alternative to cable TV, for instance.

16 posted on 10/19/2009 9:32:45 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I had mistakenly correctly thought it just meant that service providers had to give other internet information providers equal access to their networks, so Comcast for example couldn’t provide it’s own high-bandwidth movie downloads but block movie downloads from Netflix. But then I got suckered by this BS, and, worse, embarrassed myself by revealing my guillibility on FR.

Fixed it for you.

17 posted on 10/19/2009 9:44:25 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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To: Tublecane
What is the point of Net Neutrality?

To prevent politically-favored industries from leveraging their government-granted monopolies in order to impose even greater government-enforced strangleholds on their competitors.

18 posted on 10/19/2009 9:46:10 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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To: ShadowAce

Basically, the situation ISPs would like to create is equivalent to Ford buying a monopoly right-of-way with a few strategically-placed campaign contributions and then imposing higher tolls and lower speed limits on non-Ford vehicles.


19 posted on 10/19/2009 9:49:55 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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To: steve-b

You should stick to writing your own opinions, rather than embarrasing yourself by “fixing” other people’s clearly articulated opinions.

That way you wouldn’t look like such a arrogant, self-absorbed jerk. Unless that’s what you are going for, in which case I congratulate you on doing it so well.


20 posted on 10/19/2009 10:17:34 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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