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"Can we reasonably conclude that the Founding Fathers, who had just fought a war with Great Britain and who did not want a foreigner to occupy the Office of President, would have allowed a British citizen, who carries that status not only from birth but also to the time he occupies the Office, to be President of the United States and Commander in Chief of its Military?"
1 posted on 08/16/2009 5:10:06 PM PDT by Vincent Jappi
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"Can we reasonably conclude that the Founding Fathers, who had just fought a war with Great Britain and who did not want a foreigner to occupy the Office of President, would have allowed a British citizen, who carries that status not only from birth but also to the time he occupies the Office, to be President of the United States and Commander in Chief of its Military?"

Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, . . in the House on March 9, 1866:  "I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Consti tution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents [plural, meaning two] not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Consti tution itself, a natural born citizen." Obama's father was a foreigner. He has a natural born allegiance to the land of his father. This condition means by definition that he cannot ever have a Natural Born allegiance exclusively to the USA. It means he can not legally command our US military. He was never a Natural Born Citizen of the USA and never will be.

Also, here is the response from an attorney practicing in the federal court system regarding Obama and the "natural born citizen" question. He said it's really quite simple. Natural Born Citizen has two conditions that are required to be met: (1) Born in the U.S. Mainland (soil of the U.S. - 50 states) and (2) Born to 2 American citizen parents. He also said natural-born citizenship is the main issue, not the birth certificate. That's it. So now what?

38 posted on 08/16/2009 8:14:51 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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Obama is not a British citzen.

He was born with both US and British citizenship.

He gained Kenyan citizenship, per the Constitution of Kenya:

http://kenya.rcbowen.com/constitution/chap6.html

Because he gained Kenyan citizenship, he lost his British citizenship, per the Kenya Independence Act 1963:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1963/pdf/ukpga_19630054_en.pdf

None of these acts effected his US citizenship.


44 posted on 08/16/2009 9:07:52 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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"Can we reasonably conclude that the Founding Fathers, who had just fought a war with Great Britain and who did not want a foreigner to occupy the Office of President, would have allowed a British citizen, who carries that status not only from birth but also to the time he occupies the Office, to be President of the United States and Commander in Chief of its Military?"

No they would not. But British, French, German, it would not matter. Anyone whose parents, at the time of their birth, owed allegience to a foreign nation, is not a natural born citizen. If born in the US, or satisfy any number of other criteria, they may be a citizen, but not a natural born one.

47 posted on 08/16/2009 9:39:51 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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I have yet to hear someone give a rational legal argument to the following statements:

1. Obama admits he was a British citizen at birth on his website.

2. Anne Dunham had not sufficient residency in the U.S. and wasn't of sufficient age to confer U.S. citizenship on Barack at his birth in 1961.

3. If he was, in fact, born in Hawaii in 1961, he was a British citizen only, and only under British jurisdiction as a visitor to Hawaii.

4. In 1961 the U.S. did not permit dual citizenship. So even had his mother been of sufficient age and U.S. residency, he could not have gained U.S. citizenship by a Hawaiian birth through her. His Certificate of Live Birth could not grant citizenship to a British national.

5. As with any parents who are foreign nationals giving birth in the U.S., and "not under the juridiction thereof", Obama would have to return to the U.S. and undergo the naturalization process, and sign a written citizenship oath to gain U.S. citizenship for the first time. This is exactly what happens to the children of foreign tourists whose children claim citizenship under the 14th Amendment birthright. Citizenship under these circu mstances does not consti tute being "natural born".

Therefore, Obama was never a U.S. citizen as a minor, could only become one by naturalization, and if he has not done so, he is an illegal alien like his half-aunt from Kenya.

So there you have it. Case closed. . or not?

57 posted on 08/16/2009 10:45:12 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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