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Police justify shooting, killing 12-pound miniature dachshund in self-defense
Pet News Examiner ^ | 12 June, 2009 | Helena Sung

Posted on 06/16/2009 11:04:00 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: Hulka; Sir Gawain

That is clearly insane. Pets are innocent and don’t know any better. They don’t know that their caretaker is a deranged lunatic with a badge. Take it to the person himself. If someone killed pet, I wouldn’t even consider killing that person’s pet. Of course, it’s if that person had a pet. I would just help that individual become familiar with types of punishment from the Medieval era.


181 posted on 06/16/2009 1:48:24 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: papertyger
rabies is rabies, no matter how big the dog.

your jump to bees and asthma inhalers is ridiculous.

182 posted on 06/16/2009 1:49:38 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: B-Chan

Actually I don’t think you are correct. Pretty much when the police try to arrest you, you must comply. You later get your legal redress.


183 posted on 06/16/2009 1:52:18 PM PDT by JLS
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To: thefactor
this officer's actions open him up to neither.

It seems you have a problem with accountability. We need to get back to only elected sheriffs and sheriff deputies. This idea of local government having their own praetorian guard per se is getting way out of hand.
184 posted on 06/16/2009 1:53:56 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: thefactor
is this dog capable of inflicting a physical injury upon someone?

Not if said person is aware of the dog's presence, or unless the someone chooses to actually help the dog to inflict an injury.

is this dog capable of transmitting rabies to a human?

Yes, as is any mammal. Are ill-mannered toddlers fair game, too?

185 posted on 06/16/2009 1:54:00 PM PDT by papertyger (A difference that makes no difference is no difference)
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To: Eaker
there was no need for him to cover his ass. he acted within the guidelines.

no mater how silly this particular situation is. all he has to say is that he felt threatened and the dog was charging. justified shoot.

not saying it was right, but it was legal.

186 posted on 06/16/2009 1:55:58 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor
is this dog capable of transmitting rabies to a human?

Right.

Tell me, if dogs are such common threats, especially tiny miniature dogs like this, how is it possible that mailmen, salesmen, gas company employees, telephone workers, real estate agents, water company employees are able to go into neighborhoods *DAILY* and enter peoples properties routinely, without a firearm, and without shooting and killing dogs?

How do these people possibly survive these daily threats?

In addition, do you think all these types of people mentioned above should have firearms, like police officers so they too can protect themselves against threats like this miniature dachshund?

187 posted on 06/16/2009 1:58:03 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: papertyger
dogs to toddlers, huh?

that's a logical comparison. /s

this is why we can't talk about this logically. you refuse to acknowledge that there is a difference between dogs and humans. thankfully our legislators are a tad more pragmatic than you seem to be.

188 posted on 06/16/2009 1:58:58 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor
not saying it was right, but it was legal.

Shooting the kid (or a little dog) in my scenario above would have been legal too. I simply would not have done it because it is not right. I guess that is the difference between the cop and me.

189 posted on 06/16/2009 1:59:02 PM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: thefactor; papertyger
this is why we can't talk about this logically. you refuse to acknowledge that there is a difference between dogs and humans.

No, we are talking about the law not about what is right. According to this cop right and wrong are irrelevant as long as it is legal.

190 posted on 06/16/2009 2:01:55 PM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: dragnet2
yes, i absolutely think all sorts of people should be armed. but i think the 2nd amendment is kind of a good thing. i guess you don't.

anyway, give me the choice between a human sustaining a physical/serious physical injury or the dog being shot, i'll take the human every day.

191 posted on 06/16/2009 2:04:37 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor
But if dogs are such common threats, especially tiny miniature dogs like this, how is it possible that mailmen, salesmen, gas company employees, telephone workers, real estate agents, water company employees are able to go into neighborhoods *DAILY* and enter peoples properties routinely....

How do these people possibly survive?

192 posted on 06/16/2009 2:06:22 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Eaker
you don't think the law distinguishes between humans and dogs?!? what planet are you people from?!?

i'll type this very slowly...you cannot compare humans and dogs when you are talking about deadly physical force laws!!!

193 posted on 06/16/2009 2:06:24 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor
malpractice infers that the action taken can open you up to either civil or criminal litigation.

Again, you try to claim something is not malpractice if it is not actionable...the same thing I objected to before with your prattling about "actual law." This is wrong. Furthermore, we both know if the Chief's opinion had gone against this clown he'd be out on his a$$, regardless of the "policy."

194 posted on 06/16/2009 2:07:08 PM PDT by papertyger (A difference that makes no difference is no difference)
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To: thefactor
thankfully our legislators are a tad more pragmatic than you seem to be.

yes, i absolutely think all sorts of people should be armed.

So why haven't those pragmatic politicians are you called them, allowed mailmen, water meter readers, RE Agents, and gas company employees etc to be armed with firearms while on the job?

195 posted on 06/16/2009 2:11:06 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: thefactor
i'll type this very slowly...you cannot compare humans and dogs when you are talking about deadly physical force laws!!!

I'll type this even more slowly. In Texas after dark if I feel threatened I can shoot either a dog or a person, especially on my property.

I understand the difference between right and wrong verses legal. You point out that shooting the dog was legal, well shooting a person under these circumstances is also legal. Our point is that the cop was WRONG. Further proof that he knew he was wrong because he wouldn't identify himself.

In my opinion a real chicken shit too.

196 posted on 06/16/2009 2:15:10 PM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: thefactor
this is why we can't talk about this logically. you refuse to acknowledge that there is a difference between dogs and humans.

Okay, lets be logical:

is this dog toddler capable of inflicting a physical injury upon someone?

is this dog toddler capable of transmitting rabies to a human?

197 posted on 06/16/2009 2:15:23 PM PDT by papertyger (A difference that makes no difference is no difference)
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To: Eaker
Excellent point. If this little tiny dog was considered a threat, then surely every single suspect over 4 feet tall, that struggles with cop should be shot and killed.

Fact is there was no reason for this cop to shoot and kill such a small dog.

It's over the top, and those here suggesting it's within department policy or it was somehow legitimate, are crazy at best.

198 posted on 06/16/2009 2:21:11 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: fr_freak

“As an example, my experience has shown me that most CHP officers are professional and well-behaved (as long as you are respectful), but the local cops seem to be about 50/50. I also know of some cities here in CA which have big reputations for out-of-control cops, and have heard horror stories from people I know.”

My experience is exactly the opposite. The CHP i’ve had dealings with have been gung-ho nitwits for the most part, while the local PD are about 50-50, and the sheriff’s deputies have been the MOST professional.


199 posted on 06/16/2009 3:51:12 PM PDT by Mr Inviso (ACORN=Arrogant Condescending Obama Ruining Nation)
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To: marktwain

a 12-pound miniature dachshund is almost two and a half 5-pound Chihuahuas


200 posted on 06/16/2009 5:49:44 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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