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Reasons Why John Demjanjuk Should Not Be Deported
April 16,2009 | Welcome2thejungle

Posted on 04/16/2009 10:42:12 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle

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To: Nonstatist

My issue is that priorities are screwed up. There are dangerous and violent criminals preying on Americans citizens ever day. Why are they not deported? Here in LA the police aren’t even allowed to question their citizenship. We have a POTUS whose own citizenship is questionable at best.

If were going to go after these aging camp guards from the concentration camps of the Third Reich, why not go after the brutes who ran the communist gulags in the USSR, China, Cambodia, and Vietnam. We did bring Saddam and some of his high level associates to justice after we liberated that country, but we did not go after low level camp guards. Same is true with Serbia.

The fact remains that Demjanjuk was recruited into the German army as were many thousands. There is some dispute as to whether or not he was “Ivan the Terrible” and could not be postively identified by the aging camp survivors. Demjanjuk already went through the process, was deported to Israel. Convicted in 1988, Israel’s highest court overturned the conviction because the evidence was was weak and returned him back to America.

If Demjanjuk really did commit all these horrendous crimes as charged, the Israelis would not have let him go. The matter should have been settled then. Demjanjuk will in very short order—no matter what happens—be judged by a Higher Power. I will be satified with His judgement. Meantime, seems to me that there are some very dangerous criminals here illegally, many in my own city, who should be deported way ahead of Demjanjuk who has lived peacefully in this country for many years which is more than I can say for the illegals living in my city who are killing people, dealing drugs, joining gangs, and defacing neighborhoods with gang graffiti.

I think PRIORITIES in this country are really screwed up. Can we all agree on that? Deport BHO FIRST—then we’ll talk about Demjanjuk.


41 posted on 04/16/2009 12:36:46 PM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Welcome2thejungle
Does it not matter that Israel’s highest court overturned his conviction?

On DIFFERENT charges.

42 posted on 04/16/2009 12:39:16 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Welcome2thejungle
But Demjanjuk had his day in court.

On DIFFERENT charges.

43 posted on 04/16/2009 12:42:03 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski

Well what then does Germany have on Demjanjuk that was not available to the Israelis?


44 posted on 04/16/2009 12:57:11 PM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Welcome2thejungle

You’ll have to ask them, now won’t you?


45 posted on 04/16/2009 12:58:03 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski

If we’re going prosecute aging camp guards from the Third Reich, then why not from the Soviet gulag?

If we’re going to deport harmless Europeans from the U.S. why not violent criminals who terrorize our inner cities?

If the feds put as much time and energy deporting illegal aliens as they do going after aging camp guards from WWII this country would be a hell of lot safer!


46 posted on 04/16/2009 1:21:52 PM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Welcome2thejungle
If we’re going prosecute aging camp guards from the Third Reich, then why not from the Soviet gulag?

We? Who's we?

Are you German?

If the Russians (or anyone else) want to deport a GULAG guard--who is here illegally--for trial of his crimes in the GULAG, let them come forward.

If we’re going to deport harmless Europeans from the U.S. . . .

Harmless now or harmless then?

47 posted on 04/16/2009 1:31:16 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: pnh102

This attempt to have him executed has been going on since the mid 70’s.


48 posted on 04/16/2009 3:49:50 PM PDT by alisasny (It's the oxymoronical existence of the average liberal moron that astounds anyone with a brain.)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

After being in jail in Israel for some 5 years his conviction was overturned and we granted him US citizenship again despite the fact that he had admitted he lied the first time around.


49 posted on 04/16/2009 3:53:15 PM PDT by alisasny (It's the oxymoronical existence of the average liberal moron that astounds anyone with a brain.)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

Actually Israel dismissed charges that he was at Sobibor or any camp.


50 posted on 05/06/2009 6:55:58 PM PDT by blackminorca
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To: nickcarraway

Not true because the fact that Justice has never prosecuted a single leftist show a pattern of prejudice against anticommunists.


51 posted on 05/06/2009 6:57:37 PM PDT by blackminorca
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To: stockpirate

The only problem is that he has was found innocent by the Israeli Supreme Court.


52 posted on 05/06/2009 6:58:45 PM PDT by blackminorca
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To: Nonstatist

“”Does it not matter that Israel’s highest court overturned his conviction””
“On a technicality”

What technicality - they said he was innocent of having been at any prison camp.


53 posted on 05/06/2009 7:00:12 PM PDT by blackminorca
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To: mak5

“They did not find that he did nothing wrong”

not true - charges that he was at Sobibor were in the original indictment and the Supreme Court found him innocent


54 posted on 05/06/2009 7:01:33 PM PDT by blackminorca
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To: Nonstatist

“He wasnt found”not guilty”, they overturned it on a technicality becuae one of the peieces of evidence had an alias of him on the paper, instead of his current name. A TECHNICALITY”

you know absolutely nothing about the facts of this case.
Read the book by his Israeli lawyer (no - not the one that “committed suicide” - the one that had acid thrown in his face)

http://www.ukrweekly.com/old/archive/1996/299607.shtml


55 posted on 05/06/2009 7:05:23 PM PDT by blackminorca
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To: steve-b

it wasnt a technicality - he is absolutely innocent and the Feds knew it - they tried to dispose of the evidence of his innocence in a dumpster at McDonalds!

http://books.google.com/books?id=8iEWsWUjHA8C&pg=PA257&lpg=PA257&ots=JD46GXoY88&dq=demjanjuk+osi+dumpster&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html


56 posted on 05/06/2009 7:07:56 PM PDT by blackminorca
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To: Welcome2thejungle

no new evidence - the same old phoney ID card and the same KGB confession from a prisoner.....that died after signing.


57 posted on 05/06/2009 7:09:53 PM PDT by blackminorca
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To: Nonstatist

Do you work for the Kremlin because you rival their phoney claims.

The judges did consider charges that he was at Sobibor, they found out that he was definitely not Ivan the Terrible.

He was found innocent of everything.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/d/demjanjuk-john/israeli-data/demjanjuk-s4.html


58 posted on 05/06/2009 7:12:18 PM PDT by blackminorca
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To: blackminorca
Actually, they did not. The court said: "The main issue of the indictment sheet filed against the appellant was his identification as Ivan the Terrible, an operator of the gas chambers in the extermination camp at Treblinka ... By virtue of this gnawing [new evidence indicating mistaken identity] ... we restrained ourselves from convicting the appellant of the horrors of Treblinka. Ivan Demjanjuk has been acquitted by us, because of doubt, of the terrible charges attributed to Ivan the Terrible of Treblinka. This was the proper course for judges who cannot examine the heart and mind, but have only what their eyes see and read." But: "The facts proved the appellant's participation in the extermination process. The matter is closed-but not complete, the complete truth is not the prerogative of the human judge." The court judgment also addressed evidence against Demjanjuk that was not included in his indictment. The judges agreed that Demjanjuk most likely served as a Nazi Wachmann (guard) in the Trawniki unit and had been posted at Sobibor and two other camps. Evidence to assist this claim included a certificate from Trawniki bearing Demjanjuk's picture and his exact personal information in addition to German documents that mentioned Wachmann Demjanjuk and mentioned his date and place of birth. Statements of another Wachmann (Denilchenko), both in 1949 and again in 1979, identified Demjanjuk as the Wachmann who served with him at Sobibor. Demjanjuk's Trawniki certificate also implies that he served at Sobibor, as do the German orders of March 1943 posting the Trawniki unit to this area. After Demjanjuk's acquittal, the Israeli Attorney General decided to release him rather than to pursue charges of committing crimes at Sobibor.
59 posted on 05/07/2009 7:05:37 AM PDT by mak5
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To: mak5

“Actually, they did not. “

Oh yes they did and no, I dont mind posting this a third time as I am happy to prove that the Israeli Supreme Court did have the Sobibor charges in the original indictment.

Thus, it proves that Demjanjuk is getting the double jeopardy shaft.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/d/ftp.py?people/d/demjanjuk.john/israeli-data/demjanjuk.s4
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“The Attorney-General’s concern in this regard was supported by the fact that Demjanjuk’s presence in the Sobibor camp had been mentioned in the indictment and in
other documents submitted as evidence in the original trial and in the appeal.”

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60 posted on 05/07/2009 11:42:13 AM PDT by blackminorca
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