BTW, yours truly will be on the Internet/radio program, "Issues, Etc.", tomorrow, 3:00-4:00 (Central), as part of a Pastors' Roundtable, discussing "The Ministry."
Posted on 03/04/2009 1:33:41 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell. The third day He rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty. From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Christian Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.
There, fixed it for you.
BTW, yours truly will be on the Internet/radio program, "Issues, Etc.", tomorrow, 3:00-4:00 (Central), as part of a Pastors' Roundtable, discussing "The Ministry."
Grow up.
It is not enough “To Know and Believe in God”. One must also “Believe God”. That is, Believe the Word of God and to Know that God will fulfill His Words to us.
As long as that is understood as not being identical with the Church of Rome, I agree.
Just trying to maintain the historical accuracy of the prayer. The original Greek and Latin versions, dating to the 5th century use Catholic, defined as universal, as did the Church of England and the Presbyterian Church up through the 17th century. It wasn't until the German Lutherans changed the meaning of the prayer by substituting the word "christlich", that the meaning of a universal church was edited out of the prayer.
The prayer is really a rejection of gnostic beliefs and is better stated in the Nicene Creed which originated earlier in 325 AD.
I think there is a difference in what is understood by “Communion of Saints” between Catholic and (most ?) Protestants.
I think this difference arose well after Luther, but I’m not certain. It may even be the same among current Lutherans, but not other Protestants.
the holy catholic church. There, that’s the way it was written.
A catholic (lower case "C", meaning universal) is a goal your brothers in Rome share.
Amen, dad.
>>> “I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Christian Catholic Church”
>> There, fixed it for you.
Obnoxious.
SnakeDoc
Applause.
Said in the most Christian of spirits I'm sure. You are free to pray to God in what ever words you choose, just don't presume to misrepresent an ancient text: "Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem, Creatorem caeli et terrae, et in Iesum Christum, Filium Eius unicum, Dominum nostrum, qui conceptus est de Spiritu Sancto, natus ex Maria Virgine, passus sub Pontio Pilato, crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus, descendit ad ínferos, tertia die resurrexit a mortuis, ascendit ad caelos, sedet ad dexteram Patris omnipotentis, inde venturus est iudicare vivos et mortuos. Credo in Spiritum Sanctum, sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam, sanctorum communionem, remissionem peccatorum, carnis resurrectionem, vitam aeternam. Amen
Thanks. I hope others understand too.
>> Said in the most Christian of spirits I’m sure.
Christianity does not forbid me from thinking someone obnoxious.
>> You are free to pray to God in what ever words you choose, just don’t presume to misrepresent an ancient text: [...] Ecclesiam catholicam [...] Amen.
This ancient text is not, as the poster insinuated, an endorsment of the Catholic Church as the sole route to Salvation. “Christian” is probably more accurate — or perhaps “catholic” with a small “c”.
SnakeDoc
Read my other posts in this thread before you stick your other foot in your oratory orifice. Having seen other such knee jerk postings in other threads leads me to wonder what the root of your anti-Catholic bias is, but I can only imagine. Martin Luther hated Jews too.
the Pew Survey found that 92% of Americans say they “believe in God or a universal spirit
What a silly survey.
People either believe in GOD or they believe in a universal spirit.The two are NOT the same thing nor should they be grouped together in a survey. The mean totally different things...
>> Having seen other such knee jerk postings in other threads leads me to wonder what the root of your anti-Catholic bias is, but I can only imagine.
I am far from anti-Catholic. I am anti-obnoxious. And, truly, I couldn’t care less what you think of me.
>> Martin Luther hated Jews too.
Obnoxious.
SnakeDoc
“Allah” is the Arabic word for “god”, and is often used by Arabic speaking Christians, as well as Muslims.
For most Christians however, God is Trinitarian, while the god of the Muslims is unitarian - they could not be the same God.
The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is foundational to Christianity because (among other reasons) a unitarian god would be able to love only in potential until creation. Such a god could not essentially be love.
For the Holy Trinity however, love is eternal and transcendent - part of God’s essence. God shares His love with His creation, love which has always existed in the Holy Trinity.
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