“The founders knew well the many instances when a foreign ruler had entered a country and, using that country’s own laws and customs, immorally proclaimed himself the ruler of a subjugated nation. The founders wanted to prevent that possibility and also wanted to make sure that there were no divided loyalties in an American president, that the welfare of the USA would be first and foremost in the mind of anyone elected to that office. What better way than to preclude the foreign born?”
This is also about a man who spent his childhood and elementary in Indonesia, getting STEEPED in Islamic culture and tradition. I doubt they taught him American history, American social values, historical perspective, european history right down to WW1, WW2 etc etc etc. His base education has nothing to do with american beliefs, traditions or values. His basal beliefs are from Indonesia!
Subsequently, this man rrives in America and aligns himself with the philosophies and likes of AYERS.....
Eduardo Arellano Felix probably knows more of the history (right down to WW1 and WW2) , culture and societal values of the US of A than BO!
More advocacy for the revolutionary overthrow of American constitutional self-government.
Pass the popcorn this way...
Reluctantly, I think at this point the election should stand notwithstanding the birth status of His Majesty. Here’s why:
Suppose the lawsuits succeed and O is not allowed to take office. Also assume there are no riots or unrest. Biden becomes president (or Pelosi, depending on how the Supreme Court rules on that one) .
Congress will immediately propose a constitutional amendment to “fix the problem”, and in this day and age the amendment will be quickly ratified by enough states to take effect. Biden then appoints Obama as vice president, then resigns, allowing His Highness to take the throne again.
Or worse, the states will call the constitutional convention the liberals have been longing for all these years, where they can fix all the mistakes the founders made; like the 2nd amendment and that “natural born citizen” problem.
Face it, either way O gets to be president. Elections have consequences.
All though the US doesnt have a monarchy, I am sure they wanted to guard against foreign rulers being elected having split loyalties in our head of state.
Do we commit suicide with the letter of the law even when the people voted for their man in good faith?
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Of course, Obama’s foreign birth, if it comes to be true, will undermine his presidency. But better to have a single president’s legitimacy undermined due to his actions than to undermine the entire electoral process.
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That locus was in the will of the people. ... Over 39 million voted to place Barack Obama in the White House. There is no doubt that the people have spoken.
He completely misses it.
Yes, the will of the people rules - but we have established procedures for processing & implementing the will of the people, which is done thru the amendment process, NOT mob-rule popular vote.
If the will of the people is to let foreign-born people serve as President, then get enough states to agree and otherwise complete the full process for Consitutional amendment - THEN vote for the guy.
As the Constitution stands now, O is disqualified. Either change the rules or drop O as a candidate for office ... but don't just change the rules because a lot of people who never even read the Constitution said they want him.
“If you want to shut me up... you had better be armed”
I do not know who said it first... but I live by it.
LLS
I really cannot see anything in the birth provision, but the spirit of it. An aborigine in Australia can be a bigger American patriot than a native born Spy (as there have been many) for the (ex)Soviets. A Finnish born Professor can be 10000 more qualified than an illiterate Virginia-born donkey-groomer. What remains? Trust. Make sure you can trust your candidate, above and beyond the piddling matters of day to day politics.
So, okay, he’s in on a technicality. But do we trust him after he failed to take this constitutional test in such away that only the craziest of the crazies (those still doubting Nixon’s birth certificate) would still be yammering?
The Spirit of the constitution worked great. It caught a foreigner... not necessarily foreign-born (who knows?), but someone who thought it a nusiance to show his own birth certificate and preferred to see it go all the way to the Supreme Court... which is about as weird as taking the slow boat to China to buy your potatoes instead of going to the corner market.
The constitution caught a foreigner... The writer suggests the Americans be pragmatic. There’s hardly a more pragmatic people on the face of the earth. And that’s why you can be sure that the Constitution caught a foreigner, whereas those in charge let themselves be fooled.
The constitution did a great Job. He’s definitely a foreigner... and with such comportment, would be in any democratic country in the world.
Exactly what i was saying a few days ago. 65 million idiots want this? Don’t come back to me for what you’re going through. I didn’t vote for Eclair!
(I’ve often thought that I should buy the a flag of the Soviet Union and fly it in front of my house. It’s a dead country, I shouldn’t get in trouble, right? Just to make the point...)
Anyways, my point is when we have too many stupid people, they need to be made to suffer to understand their own stupidity. It’s unfortunate, but all too true. The American liberal is the most intolerant and impatient soul in the world. I don’t see Eclair to be skillful and cunning enough to tame this beast. NO ONE in world history would EVER be able to tame the liberal American beast. Not Hitler, not Stalin, Marx, Lenin,....
If anything, the system that might quell the American liberal would be Fascism. Socialism doesn’t account for the everyday elitist. Fascism does.
Maybe the points are well taken but the Constitution and the formation for the basis of impeachment the following statements outline why it should be necessary to prevent Obama from taking office or why impeachment would be necessary:
The discussion is between the framers who are trying to shape the words and meaning of the Constitutuion with Mr. James Madison taking notes:
excerpt
Mr. Davie. If he be not impeachable whilst in office, he will spare no efforts or means whatever to get himself
re-elected. He considered this as an essential security for the good behaviour of the Executive.
Mr. Govr. Morris. He can do no criminal act without Coadjutors who mav be punished. In case he should be
re-elected, that will be sufficient proof of his innocence. Besides who is to impeach? Is the impeachment to
suspend his functions. If it is not the mischief will go on. If it is the impeachment will be nearly equivalent to a
displacement, and will render the Executive dependent on those who are to impeach
Col. Mason. No point is of more importance than that the right of impeachment should be continued. Shall any
man be above justice? Above all shall that man be above it, who can commit the most extensive injusfice? When
great crimes were committed he was for punishing the principal as well as the Coadjutors. There had been much
debate & difficulty as to the mode of chusing the Executive. He approved of that which had been adopted at first,
namely of referring the appointment to the Natl. Legislature. One objection agst. Electors was the danger of their
being corrupted by the Candidates; & this furnished a peculiar reason in favor of impeachments whilst in office.
“Shall the man who has practised corruption & by that means procured his appointment in the first instance, be
suffered to escape punishment, by repeating his guilt?”
Again:
“Shall the man who has practised corruption & by that means procured his appointment in the first instance, be
suffered to escape punishment, by repeating his guilt?”
Here is my senator’s response to me regarding Obama’s citizenship:
Dear Ms. Marlowe :
Thank you for contacting me regarding Senator Barack Obama’s eligibility to become President. It is good to hear from you.
Article II of the Constitution states that in order to be President, a person must be a natural-born citizen, at least 35 years old, and have resided in the U.S. for at least 14 years. Regardless of the citizenship status of the parents, any person born on U.S. soil is a U.S. citizen.
Senator Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961, which makes him a U.S. citizen and at age 46 he meets the minimum age requirement. He has also resided in the U.S. for at least 14 years. While I do not agree with many of Senator Obama’s policy positions, he does meet the Constitutional requirements to be President of the United States .
If you would like to receive timely email alerts regarding the latest congressional actions and my weekly e-newsletter, please sign up via my web site at: www.chambliss.senate.gov . Please let me know whenever I may be of assistance.
He [Nixon]felt the will of the people had been heard and for the good of the nation it should stand.
What a lamazz excuse! If the election was stolen, HOW is that the voice of the people and HOW is that good for the nation? All it does is send the signal, "Hey! We CAN get away with it!"
As for Obama's true status, for cryin' out loud, why doesn't he just come out and PROVE it? There's been enough hue and cry over this that any solid proof on his part would thoroughly discredit his attackers. Waiting any longer implies he's trying to stonewall and cover up. This situation, IMO, is like the dog that didn't bark. To take the approach that yeah, he's in violation of the Constitution but we don't want any trouble is jusr another step on the road to National Suicide.
Fight every damned inch of the way, otherwise years from now when some other non-citizen runs and there is an outcry, it will eather be another successful stonewall or "Well, you didn't protest Obama so you have set precedent."
Good article. To everyone who will not let go of the BC issue:
In other contexts many of you have bitterly complained that the Republican Party routinely disregards “true conservatives” like you, but by hanging onto issues such as this you only push yourselves to the fringes of the party. If you want any respect from most of the country (and no matter how “right” you may technically be, you can’t govern without the respect of the country), and if you want any influence in your own party, you have to recognize when an issue is futile and focus instead on issues that can actually attract broad support.
Mr Jefferson was well known as a “democrat” by his peers. That term was an insult in those days, because it had the connotation of MOB RULE. In the quoted passages you see that mentality shining through.
The majority of our Founders were very much against democracy as a form of government, because like the mob, it is inherently ignorant and unstable. Democracies are invariably vulnerable to demagoguery, and quickly turn into dictatorships. Our founders knew this and therefore established a Republic where THE RULE OF LAW was supreme, not rule by the whims of those in power, not matter how popular!
First is the argument about the will of the people. No bargain is valid when there is fraud committed by one of the parties involved. The people have not been asked if they wish an ineligible candidate to become president. Had the media actually done their job and vetted this issue, the will of the people would be clear. However, the media chose to participate in the potential fraud.
Second is the notion that the issue can be ignored and it will go away. If Obama does not have the documentation to demonstrate valid eligibility, there is no question that we have a constitution crisis. The only question is at what time and in which venue it will flare up. I fervently hope that Obama has a birth certificate in that vault in Hawaii that puts the question to rest. Until the time that he shows it, and the issue is legally vetted, it can be ignored temporarily but it will come up again and again as explained by Edwin Vieira, a constitution lawyer with 4 Harvard degrees. Obama Fomenting A Constitutional Crisis
Nobody, including the Republicans, wins if Obama does not have the necessary documentation. The damage is less if it exposed sooner than later. When this does explode, I hope the principal members of the media are subject to the popular wrath they deserve.
Well... America has finally elect Kingfish as President
AND he has selected Shaphires maomma as Ssec. of State.. The fats in the fire now..
The Convention 3 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B09QHDWLgo0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOFM5PStH6Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO_o2BAa1M8&feature=related
Thomas Jefferson Quotes:
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .
Thomas Jefferson
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Very Interesting Quote
In light of the present financial crisis, it’s interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
‘I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.’