I've got tons of this stuff, and I'm usually too busy to use any of it. Please forgive me...
Posted on 11/26/2008 2:44:07 PM PST by urobolus
Sorry that you signed up today to give us information from factcheck.org which is not a reliable source given it’s history this year. Even CNN refuted some of factchecks information on Palin a while back... just because they annointed themselves with a name that should be reliable — they are not.
"Sufficient to prove citizenship for 'all reasonable purposes.'"
Here's the problem:
1. It's not clear that "citizenship" is the same thing as "natural born citizen" for purposes of meeting the constitutional requirement to be eligible to serve as President.
2. Proving "citizenship" for "all reasonable purposes" sounds mighty lame when the Constitution says the requirement is to prove "natural born citizenship" for the purpose of, um, being PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
It is not unreasonable to require one tiny step more when it pertains to the presidency, not, say, obtaining a student loan.
I don't think the musings of a bureaucrat at the DVR is necessarily going to capture all the possible constitutional issues that might be afoot in this fact pattern.
Obama consented to release the short-form. What's the problem with releasing the long-form, or at least having it reviewed by a court in chambers if he insists on not releasing it to the public? Why would he decide one way on the short form, but differently on the long-form?
It's always the perceived cover-up that brings pols down. I don't think this will hinder Obama in the end, but, when the matter is so simple to resolve and can even be resolved in a way that preserves his privacy and withholds the LFBC from the public, the way Obama has proceeded is not a sign of good judgment.
Hee, hee!
Newbies who don’t like us or anyone “fussing” about the birth cert “controversy” and bring out the word “truthers” are either 0bama volunteers or paid operatives.
I think they’re paid, when they pretend to be conservatives and say “us” and “we”.
If there is nothing wrong with the original birth certificate, then lets make it public and it will stop the arguments. The birth certificate of anyone running for POTUS should be made public. What is Obama trying to hide?
You know, maybe someone ought to contact these individuals’ superiors and ask them why they are revealing information to websites that their Governor placed underseal.
They might want to get in touch with the Ohio officials who used their official positions to release info about Joe the Plumber.
Works both ways, yaknow.
As a matter of fact I posted Dr. Polarik’s video earlier. Good stuff there.
An unfortunate mute named (d) `u’
With a nose that continually grew,
..Typed a post here so fast
..That his fingers at last
Got so tangled he fractured a few.
Happy Zotsgiving, u!
This is another interesting issue that is not often brought up.
There were stories last summer about Obama sending a special friend (someone from like Samoa) to Indonesia to fix his paperwork there. FWIW.
I’ll look for those links if I get time.
Can you get a cite to that in Obama’s book?
“How about candidates have to provide proof of elligibility to each individual voting district before their name can go on the ballot? How hard would that be?”
I was thinking along the lines of each county, or even each state but your’s works too. As Admiral Rickover said “if you can’t point your finger to who is responsible, then no one is responsible”.
Obama could even request to show his BC to a judge in private and seal it from the public if he has some reason it is embarrassing.
He hasn’t been willing to do even that.
Just come up with the vault BC copy Obama and this will go away.
There is some evidence that Obama was adopted by his step-father and made an Indonesian citizen.
Anyone know if a child’s citizenship is changed if the acquiring country notifies the previous country in any way?
“Sensible people relegate them to where they belong—the lunatic fringe. “
Go back to wherever you came from commie Obama lover!
Thank you!
Now. Is Donofrio or anyone else raising anything related to the adoption?
Kenyan born Obama’s sister says he was born in two different Hawaiian hospitals, and Hawaiian sherrifs were stationed at said hospitals so that nobody could go and expose the fact that it is not true.
Suspicious?
Yes.
Now. Is Donofrio or anyone else raising anything related to the adoption?
FWIW, more:
More Detail on Obama and the Law
Posted by Steve Marquis on November 11, 2008
In order to be eligible and qualified to serve as the President of the United States you must be a "natural born" citizen, be at least age 35 and reside in the U.S. for 14 years. United States Constitution, Article II, Section I, Clause 5.
Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born to Stanley Ann Dunham, a U.S. citizen born in Kansas and Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a National of Kenya.
Senator Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya on August 4, 1961. At the time of Obama's birth, Kenya was a British Colony and did not become the Republic of Kenya until 1963.
Senator Obama has admitted his citizenship status to Kenya on his website www.fightthesmears.com. Mr. Obama also had this information posted on www.factcheck.org. However, Senator Obama's claim is that he automatically lost his Kenya citizenship status once he turned 18. This is completely inaccurate. Senator Obama never qualified to be a "natural born" citizen as a result of his mother not being old enough to meet the legal requirements in order to register her son, Senator Obama, as a "natural born" U.S. citizen.
The U.S. Law in effect during Obama's birth stated if you are born abroad to one U.S. parent and a foreign national, the U.S. parent must have resided in the United States for ten (10) years, five (5) of which were after the age of Fourteen (14) in order to register the child's birth abroad in the United States as a "natural born" U.S. citizen. Nationality Act of 1940, revised June 1952. United States of America v. Cervantes-Nava, 281 F.3d 501 (2002), Drozd v. I.N.S., 155 F.3d 81, 85-88 (2d Cir.1998), United States v. Gomez-Orozco, 188 F.3d 422, 426-27 (7th Cir. 1999), Scales v. Immigration and Naturalization Service 232 F.3d 1159 (9th Cir. 2000), Solis-Espinoza v. Gonzales 401 F.3d 1090 (9th Cir. 2005). The law that applies to a birth abroad is the law in effect at the time of birth, Marquez-Marquez a/k/a Moreno v. Gonzales 455 F. 3d 548 (5th Cir. 2006), Runnett v. Shultz, 901 F.2d 782, 783 (9th Cir.1990) (holding that "the applicable law for transmitting citizenship to a child born abroad when one parent is a U.S. citizen is the statute that was in effect at the time of the child's birth")
Stanley Ann Dunham, Senator Obama's mother, was only 18 when she had Obama. She was not old enough to register Obama's birth in Hawaii or anywhere else as a United States "natural born" citizen as she did not meet the residency requirements pursuant to our United States Laws. It does not matter that this is a minor technicality, the law is applied regardless. See United States of America v. Cervantes-Nava, 281 F.3d 501 (2002), Drozd v. I.N.S., 155 F.3d 81, 85-88 (2d Cir.1998).
A Certification of Live Birth (COLB) is issued for all birth's registered in the State of Hawaii. The COLB, even if it has not been altered and/or forged, does not prove "natural born" citizenship or birth in Hawaii.
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Obama was enrolled Lolo Soetoro in a public school, Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia. Plaintiff has received copies of the school registration, in which it clearly states Obama's name as "Barry Soetoro" and lists his citizenship as Indonesian. Obama's father is listed as Lolo Soetoro, Obama's Religion is listed as Islam. At the time Obama was registered the public schools obtained and verified the citizenship status and name of the student through the Indonesian Government. Indonesia at this time was a police state and foreign students were not allowed to attend public schools. The school, upon registration of a new student, verified the citizenship status and name of the child with the Indonesian Government. Moreover, Indonesian Immigration and police checked all public schools on a weekly basis to ensure the only students attending were in fact Indonesian citizens.
Do to Obama's birth abroad, he could only be "naturalized", second, he became a "natural "citizen of Indonesia. Even if Obama's adoption and/or acknowledgement allowed him to choose his citizenship status, there is more involved. Indonesia, still to this day, does not permit dual citizenship. The law in Indonesia states if a minor who lost citizenship in another country, may reclaim that citizenship, however, prior to age 21, they must swear a declaration signed and served and filed with Indonesia their desire to relinquish their citizenship status. If this is not done by age 21, they lose that right. As stated in the Indonesian laws, "at the age of 18, the child can choose whether to stay an Indonesian citizen or follow their foreign father's citizenship. They will be then given additional three more years to decide on which nationality to choose." 18 + 3 = 21. The problem here is the citizenship of Obama's father "Soetoro" is Indonesian. Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship. The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual citizenship). Indonesian regulations recognize neither apatride nor bipatride citizenship.
The Hague Convention prevented the U.S. from interfering with Indonesia's laws. Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship, thus, neither did the U.S. An adoption severs all relationship to the birth place and/or citizenship of a birth parent. Once Indonesian "natural" citizenship status occured, it stayed. In order, according to Indonesia, which is who's law prevails, Obama would have been required to relinquish in writing under oath his Indonesian citizenship and file the declaration with Indonesia government.
Indonesian citizenship does not expire without a person, in declaration, swears under the penalty of perjury, to relinquish Indonesian Citizenship and files said document with the government no later then age 21. Indonesian Constitution, Article 2.
http://peoplespassions.org/documents/Obama_and_the_law.html
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