Obama birth certificate lawsuit dismissed (Andy Martin's Hawaii suit)

Perhaps the two worst places to get info on the subject, but hey, enjoy.

“Perhaps the two worst places to get info on the subject, but hey, enjoy.”

I agree, but I like to keep up with their points of view as well as the media reports on what’s going on.

Under the laws of the state of Hawaii, the only proof of birth in the City of Honolulu, in the County of Honolulu, on the Island of Oahu that Obama need ever present is the Certificate of Live Birth that has been on the web since July. Please read for yourselves the words at the very bottom of the Certificate: http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg In case you miss it, it says “This copy is prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” Then it lists the relevant Hawaii Revised Statutes that passage refers to.

Not true. The Home Lands Department of Hawaii will not accept the Certification of Live Birth ( which is what is up on Factchecks website, not a Certificate of Live Birth ). They require the Certificate of Live Birth.

Now as to Prima Facie evidence statement. Prima Facie means "on the face of it" until proven otherwise. With a vault copy - which shows more detail - things can be proven otherwise. That is why the Home Lands Department requests the Certificate of Live Birth and not the COLB. If a COLB is submitted , they have to do further investigation. Notice on the COLB it also says "proof of birth" NOT proof of birth in Hawaii. An example of a prima facie piece of evidence if a xerox copy of a document is submitted in court. "On the face of it " ( prima facie ) that it is an actual copy of the document. If both sides stipulate to it, it is entered into evidence. If one side objects, it is not and the original has to be produced.

Can someone please tell me who has standing? It seems no one in this country has standing to request proof to a court of law (not an internet website like factcheck.org) of Obama’s eligibility.

Look up the legal definition of standing and that'll tell you.

Gee! I had to show my birth certificate when I signed up for Social Security. I guess I can now run for President without it.

Pretty much, yeah.

A member of the Electoral College, or, after they cast their votes, a Member of Congress. Arguable.

Obama is not applying for Hawaiian Home lands status. That is the only legal situtation requiring more than what he has shown on the web.
There is no federal law nor state law that compels any more than the Certification of Live Birth issued by the state to establish US citizenship and the US Constitution provides no guidance as to how to establish “native born” status. There are no federal laws requiring vault copy, original birth certificates over state issued Certificates of Live Birth in order to become President of the United States.

“Prima Facie,” as it appears on Hawaii Certificates of Live Birth means {in a court of law} “evidence that is sufficient to raise a presumption of fact or to establish that fact in question unless rebutted.”
Someone is going to have to prove to a judge, a jury or Justices that Obama’s COLB is forged, altered or inaccurate. Otherwise, it is acceptable in legal proceedings.

There you go again. It is NOT a Certificate of Live Birth that is shown. It is a Certification of Live Birth. Get your terms straight. I was just pointing out that your generalized statement was wrong. There is an instance where the Cerification is not accepted.

You are right in Prima Facie meaning evidence that is sufficient to raise a presumption of fact or to establish that fact in question unless rebutted.” You are wrong in saying that someone has to prove to the Court it is forged, or altered. A COLB is just a summary. It does not contain all the information that the vault copy contains. In the case of Hawaiian law, the mother could have applied for a delayed certificate. This case is not about showing his citizenship, it is about natural born status. Section 23 of the Certificate would show that. It says :"Evidence for Delayed Filing or Alteration" All the plaintiff has to do is challenge the COLB on that fact. It does not contain the information that is sought in the case.Therefore it is not Prima Facie evidence to show natural born status. If under section 23 , it says she was out of the country when he was born - that would show that he is a naturalized citizen ( since according to the laws at the time she was not able to pass on US citizenship to him )