Posted on 07/10/2008 5:31:16 AM PDT by foutsc
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Obambi is more like a naive post turtle than a political hack. He has neither the experience nor qualifications to be President of the USA. 143 days as a junior Senator just isn’t enough. Even though, it’s longer than Kerry was in Vietnam, 132 days, and look what Kerry got out of that.
Perhaps Jesse Jackson cut them off.
Just a thought. Of the millions and millions of words that have been blubbered by the Left about FISA and “privacy rights” they have still yet to name a single innocent American citizen who has suffered even a moment’s “violation” because of FISA. Little wonder that even Odumbo saw that the Left’s take on the issue is a sure-fire loser.
>>>They understood the issue all along, but instead of educating their fellow travelers, they pandered to the wackadoo left
Beg to differ.
My read is that 99.9 percent of left AND right didn’t understand the underlying issues, nor did the press or even the ACLU (although it’s very possible the latter two have been lying and obsfucating from the outset).
Primary is that the case(s) and charge(s) were never about “wiretapping”, which has a very specific meaning in law and practice. There was never to my recolllection any credible charge that voice communications were being captured, which is the essence of “wiretapping.”
On the other hand, I never saw any explanation from any quarter (including here on FR) that the charges revolved around a “pen register” and “trap and trace” program, both of which involve ONLY the collection of telephone *numbers* and their connections inbound and outbound. That’s a very different technical activity from “wiretapping” and a law enforcement activity which normally receives only the lowest level of judicial scrutiny: for a variety of reasons, T&T and PR programs are typically assumed by a court to be legitimate and worthy of approval.
Nor was there *ever* any credible assertion by any legitimate party that the administration had NOT obtained a blanket PR and T&T approval from the FISA court or some other court (which is possible because from what little we know about the NSA program, it did not fall within the scope of FISA). For all anyone knows now or will ever know, the entire program very probably was operating under the requisite judicial approvals.
Finally, and although I know I don;t have all the details on this, the issue of phone number privacy is one that has been addressed by the courts (SCOTUS?) in the past, and my recollection is that customers should not have expectations of phone number privacy since that is information which crosses many third-party boundaries and is *required* to be disclosed in order for telephone calls merely to work properly. In other words, telephone numbers *must* be conveyed across a variety of public voice and data networks, thereby disclaiming any notions that they are “private”. Also there is the something called “a telephone book” which contains this allegedly “private” information in aggregated and sorted form.
In any case, the MSM and ACLU wrongly presented this as a “wiretapping” issue and left it at that. It is a travesty that no corrective voices were ever present in this debate.
Not only will they pull the lever, but they needn’t fear. Obama will do what Soros tells him to, and that’s head towards the left.
It’s amazing how clueless people can be. All you have to do is a little reading, and you know what they stand for. But people will vote on how they look and what they say.
Then they are amazed when things happen, good and bad.
>>>>>it’s longer than Kerry was in Vietnam, 132 days, and look what Kerry got out of that.
In one of his persistent but little-noticed lies, Jean Francois asserts that he learned to “speak Vietnamese” during those 132 days, which is a little odd since everyone I know (including myself) has taken several months just to get through the 7 tonal patterns (and I still make lots of mistakes). In 132 he might have learned to say yes, no, how much, and go. And counting 1 to 10. Maybe.
Angkor: You just explained it better than any talking head on TV. Most probably didn’t understand it, but those on the left who did, like the lady I cite, kept it to themselves. INstead of educating their fellow leftwing wackadoos, they fanned the flames to BDS sufferers stirred up.
We agree. You cite a different motivation that I do, but end result is they will all vote for their new messiah.
a u.s. politician with no nuts,
now, how could that be! ?
>>>>>INstead of educating their fellow leftwing wackadoos, they fanned the flames to BDS sufferers stirred up.
From listening to the ACLU hacks on the news, you’d have thought GWB and Cheney (*especially* Cheney) were hunched over in a little White House closet listening to international calls all day long, taking notes and cackling between themselves.
“Heh heh, Achmed’s wife is really reading him the riot act Dick. Heh heh.” “Heh. We made a mistake on this one, George. It’s Mr. Moe Hamad, not Mohammad. He’s saying his daughter got knocked up at the kibbutz in Israel. Heh heh.” “Good one Dick. Did you record that?”
I thought there were two issues.
The “pen register” and “trap and trace” with the telecoms that you discuss and the NSA wiretapping without a warrant.
Am I wrong about two issues?
Obama’s politics are immaterial to his supporters. Obamaniacs aren’t voting for his politics, principles, voting record or anything else that matters - they are voting for “change” and a skin color. They are too shallow to look beyond sound bites and ethnicity to discover anything about his character or his previous voting record. They haven’t even examined his (lack of) experience in doing anything, but they are ready to put him in the WH. Get ready for Jimmuh Cahter, the sequel if he is elected.
Not only has obambi been educated far beyond his intelligence, he seems to be completely unaware of our foreign policy.
He thinks arugula has surpassed the flag and applepie. His wife is surely no example of motherhood. She allows their children to be disrespectful to their father.
They thought they had a real leftist and Marxist in Obama. And they were right. His “move to the center” is a campaign tactic.
>>>>>The “pen register” and “trap and trace” with the telecoms that you discuss and the NSA wiretapping without a warrant. Am I wrong about two issues?
I believe so. There was never any “wiretapping” case per se. It has always been about T&T and PR. The press and the ACLU have had a great deal of fun conflating the two issues, and getting away with it because this is really down in the weeds and something most normal folks won’t try to untangle.
But it’s very simple really. NSA was charged to work with the international carriers and to install some sort of monitoring device at the core phone switches in order to scan for specific phone numbers (found on al Qaeda cellphones and laptops) that were going across the switch. When they got a hit, they’d in turn add the new phone number. It’s absolutely classic T&T and PR.
What with Jessie Jackson’s slip up, Obama’s nuts sure are in the news a lot lately.
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