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Expelled-- No Science Contained (Vanity)
Soliiton via cited sources | 4/20/2008 | Soliton

Posted on 04/20/2008 8:49:48 AM PDT by Soliton

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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
>>>Evolution doesn’t have anything to do with the origin of life. It has to do with the evolution (change) of life that already exists.

This needs to be clearly stated repeatedly. Unfortunately it cannot for political and philosophical reasons.

I don't know where you get this stuff. The fact that evolution addresses the changes between forms of life and not the origins of life itself isn't exactly a state secret.

221 posted on 04/20/2008 3:46:40 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Dog Gone

Do you believe the Constitution forbids religion being taught in public schools? Did you go back thread and read my post #153? That’s the source of my reasoning WRT this issue.

Before 1963, was there ever a school district that became a 100% Islamic district? Today, would graduates of such a school system be able to pass entrance tests for college?


222 posted on 04/20/2008 3:51:37 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
As soon as you say "we don't know" in jumps God to fill the gap. For theists this is not a problem, but for atheists, it's a big problem.

Science can explain some things. It can't explain others. It's the theists, not scientists, who can't stand "I don't know" and need anything wrapped up in a neat little package with a bow. For scientists, an unanswered question is just another line of inquiry (and possibly another grant proposal).

We would be living in an ignorant and benighted world if everyone accepted "in jumps God to fill the gap" and stopped further research. "In jumps God" has been used over the centuries to explain natural phenomena that were later explained scientifically. Had that research ceased, we would never have been able to limit the spread of disease, for starters.

What causes lightning? God. What spreads Malaria? God. Where do we get fire? God. But this time, when the creationists say God explains it and science should butt out, we're to simply accept that they're right for the first time?

223 posted on 04/20/2008 3:54:41 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Soliton

So are you saying the truth (and peace) Jesus brought to my life when I surrendered my life to Him is invalid? Are you saying the healing, both physical and emotional brought to millions through faith is invalid, because it can only be scientifically observed, and not scientifically explained?

I do believe a God of order (as the founders of the scientific method did) created a universe of order, and that through studying His universe we could learn more how to glorify God and help our fellow man.


224 posted on 04/20/2008 4:25:28 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: savedbygrace

I reluctantly think that that public schools should stay out of the religion arena entirely.

There are plenty of private schools that are not so restricted.

I don’t have a problem with any religious course being offered as an elective in public schools. Even Islam.

But it must be an elective and nobody forced into taking a religious course at all.

That’s not the school’s job, which they would do badly in any case.


225 posted on 04/20/2008 4:30:43 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Soliton
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
226 posted on 04/20/2008 4:37:10 PM PDT by tongass kid
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To: savedbygrace

Name calling in the name of God?


227 posted on 04/20/2008 4:39:40 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Soliton

Could you please explain to me how the laws of physics support evolution?

Or how we have scientifically demonstrated macro-evolution?

If you can’t, or don’t, then why are you supporting teaching macroevoultion under the guise of science at taxpayer expense?


228 posted on 04/20/2008 4:41:44 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: savedbygrace
Do you believe the Constitution forbids religion being taught in public schools?

It is established law of the land arrived at by the accepted process. My opinion and your opinion doesn't matter.

229 posted on 04/20/2008 4:42:33 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: srweaver
So are you saying the truth (and peace) Jesus brought to my life when I surrendered my life to Him is invalid?

Where do you get THAT from? ID explicitly does not mention God or Christ. I posted about ID and haven't mentioned Jesus once. We need lots more paxil.

230 posted on 04/20/2008 4:44:36 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: 1Truthseeker
please show the documentation of separation of church and state in the constitution.

"Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history."

James Madison, Detached Memoranda ca. 1817, W. & M. Q., 3d ser., 3:554--60 1946

--http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions64.html

231 posted on 04/20/2008 4:45:56 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: tokenatheist

Have we demonstrated macro-evolution actually happened? Please give examples.


232 posted on 04/20/2008 4:45:57 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: Soliton
“Every scientist would love to see this happen. Go do it and come back with scientific evidence.”

And so the game continues. You can't get funding to do it. Therefore it doesn't get done. Therefore the high priests say there is no evidence. Therefore there is no funding.

In less polite circles it would be called a circle jerk. Of course, you and the other priests seem ok with that reasoning.

Allow the scientific evidence to begin with. Since you don't, just admit you won't and quite the charades.

233 posted on 04/20/2008 4:46:58 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: tongass kid
Thank you for your thoughtful response

You are very welcome. Don't be a stranger

234 posted on 04/20/2008 4:47:12 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: processing please hold
What religion was this country founded upon? islam? Hinduism? Scientology? Buddhism? Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. You get my drift.

So you are FOR the establishment of a state religion?

235 posted on 04/20/2008 4:50:33 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Dog Gone
I reluctantly think that that public schools should stay out of the religion arena entirely.

Whether public schools should or shouldn't stay out of the religious arena, it's not properly a federal power to dictate that to the local schools. Do you disagree with that?

236 posted on 04/20/2008 4:51:19 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: IrishCatholic
You can't get funding to do it. Therefore it doesn't get done.

So it's about funding? That's the same argumrnt the embryonic stem cell people use. Research can't be done without taxpayer funding. Why on earth is it the responsibility of anyone to pay for your research?

237 posted on 04/20/2008 4:53:48 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Ken H
Sorry you are wrong that is a personal opinion of a founding father and not part of the constitution.

Try again.
238 posted on 04/20/2008 4:53:48 PM PDT by 1Truthseeker
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To: Soliton
How on earth did you pull that question from my post?

When you take the oath in a court of law, on what book do you place your hand?

239 posted on 04/20/2008 4:55:33 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: Soliton

No.


240 posted on 04/20/2008 4:56:10 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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