Posted on 01/15/2008 1:26:59 PM PST by Dr. Carl S. Parnell
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Absolutely! What every happened to charity?
Harvard has $35 BILLION dollar endowment! Yale $7 BILLION or more. University of Michigan has a similar endowment. All of these schools are Secular Humanist in their religious worldview, yet I bet there are PLENTY of Christians who donated to these endowments!!!
WHY AREN’T CHRISTIANS DOING THIS FOR CHRISTIAN EDUCATION!!!
We are a wealthy nation. There is absolute no reason for any child in this nation ( possibly even the world) to lack for an excellent and FREE Christian education!!!! Christians should be organizing private scholarship foundations that would grant private vouchers to private Christian schools. These foundations could provide standards, inspections, certification, and testing. Christians could do this if they WANTED!
Personally, I believe that it is so-called Christian teachers in government schools that are preventing this from happening. These so-called Christian teachers are sitting in the pews of their congregation, and their ministers are too afraid to offend the government teachers putting money in their collection baskets. Shame on these teachers, and shame on their ministers!!!
( And,,,Yes! I am shouting. I am exasperated. Our culture is unraveling before our eyes, and the sheeple are blind and deaf!)
Two more things:
Christians should be organizing mini-schools, microscopy's, one room school houses, homeschool cooperatives, virtual schools,,,,etc. The Prussian model of warehouseing children should be COMPLETELY abandoned! It is cruel and inhumane to treat children like prisoners. The Prussian model is also very expensive as well. Also, homeschooling has proven to be a far superior model for educating children. Very small and personal Christian learning environments need to be created for our children.
And, finally, Christians should BREAK the government monopoly on team sports training!
Homeschoolers and people who send their kids to Catholic/Christian/Private schools all currently still have to pay school taxes to pay for the education of other people’s kids and services that they are often denied access to. We never got a tax break because we didn’t use any of the school’s resources.
Why should secular/atheist people be denied the same privilege?
Tali(ban) born again. Cute! Proud heathen amuse themselves by coining yet another supposedly witty word. "Talibornagain" seems to function as a fair search keyword to find kooky left wing nutter rants. :)
“Secular is NOT a neutral position. It’s the *No God* position as opposed to the *God* position. You cannot have a neutral position on something when there are only two sides to an issue.”
No, I disagree, what is described in the article is not secular, but religious (humanism). A secular position is not *No God*, at least not to me.
I think that’s wrong too, if your paying for your own children’s education or providing it yourself, it’s wrong and immoral for the government to take your money for others.
(of course it’s wrong and immoral for the government to take your money at all :) )
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Just a couple of examples that I sent to the original poster. The ACLU is not trying to ban Bible reading from schools. In fact, it’s pointed out the law specifically allows Bible reading during during non-instructional time. My son’s public school literature books has a couple of stories from the Bible as examples of good literature.
Student Bible or religious groups are also allowed, but generally before or after school. Same with prayer or Bible study groups (which also can happen during lunch break). Our school has a very active Young Life group, and its meetings and activities are publicized at school, although the activities are after school. The ACLU is not trying to outlaw any of this.
I agree that the ACLU has done some pretty stupid things, but we should go after them for the things they’re actually doing, not the ones we imagine they’re doing.
Yup.
The issue of having to pay taxes while not using the public school system is one that's been debated a lot among homeschoolers. Generally, the feeling is that it's just a sacrifice we have to make. If we were exempt from paying school taxes, some radical, left-wing Christian and America hating legal association, would argue that getting a tax break is equivalent to receiving assistance from the government, therefore, the homeschools would be subject to the same requirements for certifications and all the other meddlesome, PC nonsense that the public school system is.
Homeschoolers, being a somewhat independent minded group of people, would rather not take the risk of government involvement and so pay the taxes instead of pushing the issue and having it backfire on them.
If all the taxes that the government (illegally) collects from us were left at our disposal, we would have enough to fund our child's education. There's not a thing that the government can't do more inefficiently than the private sector.
Having the Bible in a prison-like government school is NOT religiously neutral, neither is NOT having it. Both situations promote a religious worldview. The government school is in a Catch 22 situation. It is faced with a binary decision and neither action is religiously neutral.
Also, since the Bible is permitted, I soon expect that other groups will be demanding that the Book of Mormon, the Koran, the Watchtower magazine, New Age reading material, paganism tracts be allowed as well.
Is is plain to you yet, that a religiously neutral education is IMPOSSIBLE! It is for this reason that government must get out of the education business since no matter what it does in education is the **establishment** of a religious worldview.
In fact, it’s pointed out the law specifically allows Bible reading during during non-instructional time.
So?....Where in the First Amendment does it say that citizens are "allowed" to practice their religion between 4 p.m. and 8 a.m. only? Where does the First Amendment give government the right to restrict the free expression of religion between the hours of 8 a.m. and 4 p.m. Monday through Friday for 9 months of the year?
My son’s public school literature books has a couple of stories from the Bible as examples of good literature.
The reading of Bible stories as literature, and ignoring the religious content and consequences of the morals and ethics included in these stories is:
1) not religiously neutral
2) is impossible
3) is very bad teaching
4) is a complete corruption of the actual literature
5) is a lie to the students since it ignores the very purpose of having these stories in the bible.
Student Bible or religious groups are also allowed, but generally before or after school. Same with prayer or Bible study groups (which also can happen during lunch break). Our school has a very active Young Life group, and its meetings and activities are publicized at school, although the activities are after school. The ACLU is not trying to outlaw any of this.
So???...Where in the First Amendment does it say that citizens have a right to be FORCED by the government to assemble with Bible believing prisoners ( AKA "students") between the hours of 8 a.m. and 4 p.m., Monday through Friday, nine months of the year? Or FORCED to "assemble" with Koran, or Book of Mormon, or Watchtower believing government prisoners ( oops! "students")?
Is it plain to yet that government schools trash the First Amendment Right to free assembly of students and their parents?
Also...FORCING children into the company of bible, Book of Mormon, Koran, Little Red Book reading students, or crystal channeling, seance attending, pagan worshiping, atheistic, or agnostic students ***IS** NOT*** religiously neutral! No matter what the government school does it WILL be establishing the religious worldview of some and trashing that of others!
I agree that the ACLU has done some pretty stupid things, but we should go after them for the things they’re actually doing, not the ones we imagine they’re doing
If the ACLU really cared about the First Amendment, they would be working to shut down every government school. Why? Because the First Amendment and freedom of conscience and government schools can not occupy the same space!
The truth is that the ACLU is a Marxist operative that is using our nation's courts and laws against us. It's ultimate goal is to use the laws of a free society to destroy it.
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When I was in school, even the little Jewish kids sang our Christmas songs. However, we did sing their stuff too. We didn’t think anything of it. That’s how I learned early to appreciate and respect others. Unreal how they are ruining EVERYTHING. There are beautiful traditions that many will NEVER be exposed to.
While I agree that school is becoming extremely secularized, it has nothing to do with the homosexual agenda. Honestly. Let’s be intellectually honest here. There are people that have major agendas that have nothing at all to do with homosexuality. It’s a lot bigger than that. I do not endorse homosexuality but this part of the post was ludicrous.
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