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President Fred Thompson In Retrospect
The American Chronicle ^ | December 30, 2007 | Ken Hughes

Posted on 12/30/2007 10:10:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Darkwolf377
For those condemning Fred's strategy

please, for God's sake, tell me what the strategy is?

21 posted on 12/30/2007 11:06:05 PM PST by Soliton
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To: counterpunch
I think it’s already several days too late.

You're measuring in increments of "several days"?

22 posted on 12/30/2007 11:07:47 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

And a good campaigner never lets a false accusation stand. Fred has not only let them stand, he’s helped prop them up.

The problem with democracy is you have to get ELECTED before you get to be the leader. Fred doesn’t seem to think he has to make a compelling case to get elected, but sadly, he’s wrong.


23 posted on 12/30/2007 11:08:09 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: Soliton
please, for God's sake, tell me what the strategy is?

What kind of ridiculous response is that? Seriously, if you cannot look at where Thompson is spending his time; if you can't read the speeches he makes at his appearances and see his positions and how he's selling them, then you must be one of these so-glib, so-cool types who think that if a candidate isn't taking you by the hand and personally speaking to you.

By the God you find holy, Freepers, grow a pair and quit the childish whining, will you, please?

24 posted on 12/30/2007 11:08:25 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist hoping everyone had a Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: jdm

No, that was a metaphor. In truth I think it’s several weeks if not months too late. He never did present his resume to the American people when they were listening. Now he’s already defined. And he’s been defined as slow, lazy, uninspiring, lackluster, arrogant, absent, and uninterested — but conservative(!) — instead of as a foreign policy expert, legal scholar, and steady hand in uncertain times.


25 posted on 12/30/2007 11:14:23 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: Darkwolf377
"BTW, 2ndDV, if you have a ping list put me on it. I find you post 90% of the interesting stuff around here these days."

Done!

26 posted on 12/30/2007 11:15:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: Darkwolf377

Why should the voters have to look under rocks for Fred Thompson? Shouldn’t he be bringing his campaign to us like everyone else who wants to win? Isn’t that exactly the problem with his “strategy” in question?


27 posted on 12/30/2007 11:17:05 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: counterpunch
Why should the voters have to look under rocks for Fred Thompson?

Getting daily coverage of his positionsis now defined as hiding under a rock, I guess.

Fred, please apologize to all these people for not coming to their homes and explaining each position personally. It's too damned hard for them to go to your website, watch the daily TV coverage, read FR...

28 posted on 12/30/2007 11:19:44 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist hoping everyone had a Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: Darkwolf377
I think we need to stop comparing everything and everyone to Reagan.
The "Reagan moment" I referenced is not a direct comparison to Reagan in either style or substance. It is simply an historical reference people here are familiar with and can relate to, when Reagan showed passion and aggression over the microphone incident, which broke through the same kind of labeling the media had put on Reagan as they have on Fred. Simply put, Fred needs a moment that illustrates he is passionate and committed, and not committing to a show of hands doesn't cut it.

 
29 posted on 12/30/2007 11:22:03 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: counterpunch

The media’s definition of Fred is largely irrelevant. What someone thinks of you is out of your control, especially if you’re a conservative. He’s already been thrown under the bus by the media, but it’s through no fault of his own. He’s not trying to please the media, he’s trying to please the voters.


30 posted on 12/30/2007 11:25:53 PM PST by jdm
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To: Darkwolf377

Fred has avoided media coverage like the plague. As it turns out, he campaign staff (his wife and Spencer Abraham) were turning down interview requests (including friendly media) without his knowledge.

Other candidates have been on top of the media, such as Romney and Giuliani, Fred has hidden from it. That’s why they’ve been on top, and he’s only gone down since he entered the race. An single appearance on Leno does not make an entire campaign.


31 posted on 12/30/2007 11:26:08 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: counterpunch
Simply put, Fred needs a moment that illustrates he is passionate and committed

I think that's just another example of our fixation on media moments. That moment has to happen for tens of millions of people, and it isn't just one moment. People fawn over and swoon over these "defining" moments, but they are no such thing. Take Reagan's "I'm paying for this microphone" moment--it was cool, and in the retelling it seems significant. But at the time, it really wasn't. I don't think a single person casts a vote based on these moments, they just make it easier to explain why they like someone. In reality, that's all media yammer refuse.

As far as we know, Fred's already had that moment. If he wins in Iowa, the media will scurry to find some "moment" to explain why, and we'll suddenly latch onto it and say that was his "moment" because we seem to have this need to turn everything into a screenplay, with a "turning point" and a "defining moment" when in fact each voter is going to have his or her own epiphany.

32 posted on 12/30/2007 11:26:57 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist hoping everyone had a Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: counterpunch
Fred has avoided media coverage like the plague.

We must observe two different media.

33 posted on 12/30/2007 11:29:15 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist hoping everyone had a Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: jdm

It is his own fault. He let it happen. He made it easy for them. He didn’t define himself. He let their stereotypes stand uncontested, and then he played into them. He had no media management. He fostered no relationship with them media, which is a bad one in their eyes. He let his image and his campaign fall into a tailspin and did nothing about it, which not coincidentally in indicative of his image and his campaign.


34 posted on 12/30/2007 11:31:09 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: Darkwolf377

Tell that to Howard Dean...


35 posted on 12/30/2007 11:32:11 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: counterpunch
Tell that to Howard Dean...

You mean the Howard Dean who had TONS of "moments," and who everyone KNEW was going to win before the votes were cast--you mean THAT Howard Dean?

36 posted on 12/30/2007 11:36:13 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist hoping everyone had a Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: Darkwolf377

Howard Dean had just one defining media moment, but the bad kind, and that’s why he didn’t end up as the Democrat nominee.


37 posted on 12/30/2007 11:38:04 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
" Not everyone can be a William F. Buckley, Jr."

Revvvvernn Jack-sonnnnnn
38 posted on 12/30/2007 11:43:11 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: counterpunch
Howard Dean had just one defining media moment

No offense, but you're proving my point for me. Dean had defining moments aplenty--from Gore's endorsement (how quickly we forget what a HUGE thing that was then), his leading in "superdelegates," his getting online funds to match those given to VP Cheney at a big dinner, the AFSCME endorsement, forgoing matching funds (very noteworthy), etc. The scream is NOW his defining moment, but up till then he was doing everything right, everything those who are advising Fred here on FR wish Fred would do. And look at what happened.

39 posted on 12/30/2007 11:50:06 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist hoping everyone had a Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: counterpunch
Why should the voters have to look under rocks for Fred Thompson? Shouldn’t he be bringing his campaign to us like everyone else who wants to win? Isn’t that exactly the problem with his “strategy” in question?

You keep saying the same thing over and over and over. Saying it does not make it true.

The voters of Iowa are not having to look under a rock for Fred Thompson. He HAS taken his campaign directly to them. Strategy entails going to those who vote first...FIRST. Much of it is posted here in detail on the very threads you post to.

Those of us who are paying even a modicum of attention are watching Fred work his campaign every day. You claim to be a Thompson supporter but somehow never see or hear any of it. Even after having the daily Fred news and events all laid out for you here at FR, you still claim he’s done nothing. As a matter of fact, you never post a positive comment about him at all.

Even a “sort of” supporter would find reason to praise him today on his truly excellent Message to Iowa. It’s gained attention all over the Internet and from major news outlets.

So you should either open your eyes or drop the ruse. Fred deserves better than this repetitious, sorry old rhetoric.

40 posted on 12/30/2007 11:51:05 PM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - Fred D. Thompson / Consistent Conservative...The One with Gravitas)
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