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Bush: All religions pray to 'same God'
WorldNetdaily.com ^ | October 7, 2007

Posted on 10/07/2007 4:50:54 AM PDT by Man50D

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To: gondramB

Only thorough faith in Christ.

We have access to the Father through the High Priest, our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.


301 posted on 10/08/2007 6:20:16 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: F15Eagle
You are kidding me right?
303 posted on 10/08/2007 6:43:47 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: epow
Very few. However, I didn't say that Jews believe that the God of the bible is the same God in both the old and new testaments, I said that God IS the same God of both.

I am not trying to argue with you. The point I am trying to make is that what the people in the other religions actually believe is important to understanding them.

Truth and reality, in this context are simply not relevant.

305 posted on 10/08/2007 6:52:46 AM PDT by LeGrande (Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God of Abraham.)
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To: SampleMan

It would have to be another God b/c: 1) it deviates wildly from Holy Scripture. They say the Koran is the inerrant word of Allah (their god), which is different frm scripture. 2) Their concept of Allah is different from our concept of God (for example, Allah is capricious, God is bound by the free will he granted us).

Having said that, I’m not a theologian and can’t know what is in other people’s hearts.


307 posted on 10/08/2007 6:53:52 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: Cvengr
Actually, one Jew is identified with the Son, the Word, or in the Targums as the Memra. He will later write it into the hearts and minds of all believers so that none will have to be taught His Word anymore.

I am not attacking Christianity. I am simply stating that their are others out there who do not believe what you believe and it is important to understand what they actually believe.

Seeing the world from your own narrow perspective is exactly how the Muslims see the world and their view is wrong.

308 posted on 10/08/2007 7:00:08 AM PDT by LeGrande (Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God of Abraham.)
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To: LeGrande
Seeing the world from your own narrow perspective is exactly how the Muslims see the world and their view is wrong.

Whenever we focus, we narrow our perspective. By focusing on God through faith in Christ, we are in a position where He is able to clarify our perception by Divine standards. Seeing God through faith in Christ allows God to further our understanding. Narrow perspective isn't wrong, but if one narrows their perspective by focusing on anything other than through what God has provided for that perspective, then we blur Him altogether.

309 posted on 10/08/2007 7:06:37 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: F15Eagle
GW is a professed Christian. I think he knows the difference. Notice the word Christ-ian.

This is not about Bush's chosen path to God anyway. It's about people in general praying to and seeking God...whether God hears them or not is not mentioned.

310 posted on 10/08/2007 7:13:20 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: F15Eagle
Bush is not lying. Some people can Pray to God all they like but God won't hear them because the don't go through Christ. People pray to one God because there is only one God.

It's like you are a Muslim on the phone trying to contact God and you get a recording, "Sorry you have entered the wrong area code. Please call back later."

313 posted on 10/08/2007 7:24:10 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: LeGrande
"..it is important to understand what they actually believe."

The Greek word "PISTIS" is translated as faith and as belief in several important passages in Scripture. There are true beliefs and false beliefs. That which is trustworthy is also described by the adjective of PISTIS.

Our sanctification begins with faith and continues with faith through Him.

It is more important to remain in faith through Him and understand His faith, that belief, than it is to understand the faith or belief of all others.

The same faith or belief is available to Muslims if they choose with their individual volition to accept Him. One proviso might be noted, though, that while I may say the same faith is available to them, until they think along those lines, they might not get to the point of hearing His Word because it has been outlawed in many of their lands. So in a sense, it might be more accurate to say faith isn't as available to them as it is in lands where we are free to read and study Scripture.

This makes it all the more imperative to spread the good news of Christ to each and every Muslim at every opportunity, not to water it down, worrying about it not being received. This doesn't mean we are to be offensive to those who seek Him, but there is a a discernible difference between being perceived as offensive to a believer and being offensive to an antichristian spirit. Those who are enemies of Christ will claim offense by any communication or thinking about Him.

Our task is merely the Great Commission. The tasks of salvation are purely the work of God. Whether or not they accept Him through faith in Christ is their business, not mine, but we are commissioned to communicate that Gospel to them.

314 posted on 10/08/2007 7:24:20 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: LeGrande
OK, sorry I took it the wrong way. I guess I am always expecting to be challenged on my evangelical beliefs by someone whenever I post to a thread concerning religion, so I automatically assume that almost any comment that isn’t in full agreement is criticism. Have a good day.
315 posted on 10/08/2007 7:26:41 AM PDT by epow ("The best we can hope for the people is that they be suitably armed" Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Man50D

For a president to weigh on theological issues such as these is just plain dumb. I would have answered along the lines of “Can’t say enough good things about what Terry Francona has done up there in Boston this year” or words to that effect.


317 posted on 10/08/2007 7:32:12 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: F15Eagle
Just out of curiosity....How many God's do you think there are?

They can't..repeat...can't be praying to another God. There isn't any.

318 posted on 10/08/2007 7:34:20 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Cvengr
Whenever we focus, we narrow our perspective. By focusing on God through faith in Christ, we are in a position where He is able to clarify our perception by Divine standards. Seeing God through faith in Christ allows God to further our understanding. Narrow perspective isn't wrong, but if one narrows their perspective by focusing on anything other than through what God has provided for that perspective, then we blur Him altogether.

Ok, I will have a little fun with you :) I will assume that you are a Christian who believes in the Nicaean Creed. That God is an Omniscient, Omnipotent, etc. being.

Well that Omniscient being is demonstrably false based on the superposition theory in QM, more commonly called Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle. The general idea is that you can know the Position or the Momentum of a particle but not both. Hence an Omniscient being doesn't exist.

Clearly your mental map and perception of the world is wrong. Everyones mental map is wrong, so I am not just picking on you :) The question then becomes when you discover that your mental map of the world is in conflict with reality do you change your mental map or do you deny reality and persist in maintaining your mental map?

When Muslims are faced with this problem they deny reality in the face of all the evidence. There is a reason why the Muslims do not lead the world in anything.

320 posted on 10/08/2007 7:35:32 AM PDT by LeGrande (Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God of Abraham.)
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