Posted on 08/27/2007 10:36:15 PM PDT by davidosborne
I like the idea as long as it's a left-of-center party.
I never took any grad courses.. just high school and some here and there classes.. mostly proffessional development.. but I have a MASTERS from the school of “hard-knocks” :)
Daivd
see I can’t even spell my own name.. LOL
David not Daivd <—LOL
The system is corrupted. The Republican Leadership Council is the entity with the money and they are globalists! Only globalists need apply. Same with The Dems. These two talk a slightly different game but they do the same thing. Notice despite all the sound and fury the war in Iraq is still funded. Any truly conservative candidate will be run over by the 100’s of millions of dollars that the RLC has from corporations. The Dems do it with the Union (and corporate) dollars. Corporations don’t have free speech individuals do! corporate (and union) money is bribe money for access and that access causes action in the corporations and unions favor. Only a RINO will be allowed to take the nomination. The system has got to be cleaned up from the ground up. The Republican Leadership Council isn’t going to let that happen from within.
Sad but true. A rising third party is the only hope.
Ravenstar
It is that model and that wise advise that we somehow, need to get back to. Everything he warned against we are experiencing.
In the mean time, we are horribly entwined and embroiled in what we have and need to make the best of it, but IMHO, to do so in an effort to get back where his advise would lead us.
I respectfully disagree with you my FRiend.. '08 is the year of the "YOUTUBE" -- In todays blackberry and ipod age.. it is way to easy --- and cheap --- to get your message out there.. it does not require the "big bucks" of years past for the most part.... As folks start to pay more attention to the campaigns they don't have to wait for next 30sec commercial to find out who is running and what they have to say.... in fact my prediction is we will be able to very accurately predict the numbers as folks start "talking" about who they are voting for... problem right now is that it's too early in the game .. and most folks just are not thinking about who they will be voting for in the PRIMARY.. in fact many of us "actively political" folks still have not chosen their candidate... just an observation
Jeff Head,
I agree with you for the most part.. however, like I said, I don’t think George Washington ever envisioned the ipod.. the fact of the matter it takes a person 10mins to study the people and posititions of ALL the candidates for any given public office... the problem is MANY Americans are so lazy that they will wait until 10mins before they go to the balot box.. to make their decision... In George Washington’s day people actually had to seek out information on the issues.. and actually TALK about them..... we live in a world where it’s “taboo” to talk “Religion or Politics” in public.... and even “offensive” to ask your neighbor who they are going to vote for and why.... what has our nation come to?
I with great respect for you personally disagree with you. Money does buy attention of the voters most of whom are not informed but react only to the lamestream media sound bite. 600 million can by a lot more attention than 10 million (which is the most an individual would be able to raise) any day. I don’t like that this is the fact but it is. In point of fact I agree with the post above your answer to me. The NO party system is where we should be. The two party system is a myth. There have more times than not been more than two serious Presidential Candidates. For Data go to Dave Leip’s site.
Ravenstar
David, I like and respect you a lot, but the “...therefore I am a Republican” statements are just non sequitors. Therefore I am a conservative? Yes. But with the group over the last six years, I can’t agree.
However quickly you can get the information, however nicely you can display it, however easily you can twist it, George Washington's commnets spoke to human nature...and human nature is the determining factor when it comes to the ideals whe seek to protect in our Republic, our liberty, our unalienable rights, our heritage that have made them possible.
That goes to what you said regarding the people going to the ballot box. It will take us a long time (short of a major train wreck, which I pray we can avoid), to unentangle ourselves as a people from the morass we find ourselves in, both politically and morally...and it is a morass that has been brought on us with a will, to weaken and divide us...but that is the true course we must set our feet to.
All we seek to accomplish should be done with such goals in mind, to get us back to the foundational principles that have made us strong...and I believe one of them was meant to be people voting for candidates based on principle and not on party.
Party divides...party elicits loyalty, ultimatrely over and above that to country...just like Washington said, and we are seeing it all around us on both sides of the ailse, to all of our detriment.
Cast in concrete in the XIVth Amend.
Well you have a friend with a PhD you can rely on anytime you want.
Well you have a friend with a PhD you can rely on anytime you want. Just as I rely on you to defend us, as I never went to war. Women didn’t do those things, in my day.
Now, what are you talking about? I am on every Republican list and I never heard of the RLC. What money is it you think they have. Corporate money. It is illegal for corporations to contribute to campaigns, now. For the most part, candidates nominate themselves and fund their own campaigns. Eventually, that may get us a demogogic dictator, if we are not careful. Parties have been diminished ever since Kennedy used the primaries to go around the party bosses and convention system.
By this I mean register yourself with whatever entity best represents your views, but then vote for the closest one that has a real chance of winning.
Imagine the affect on the Republican Party if it's members started signing up with the Constitution Party(!)
Duke,
Here is the problem with “registering” with an “entity” other than Republican -— in many states (including my own) you can only vote in the PRIMARY for candidates in the party with which you are REGISTERED -— and unless we are able to vote for a 1st choice/2nd choice I believe one is WASTING their vote by not working within the party to put forward the BEST candidate... IMHO
I might agree with your assessment, if I thought that voting Republican would actually accomplish any of the things on the Republican to-do list.
Yeah...they might start actually respecting the constitution.
And where is this idea presented in the U.S. Constitution?
But not illegal to contribute to the “Party”! Which the leadership council spends on what they decide. The Republican National Committee is an honary position, atleast according to one member of it. I was at a property rights meeting with that person and that is what they said to me.
Ravenstar.
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