Sez you and the AP. Even NARAL doesn't agree with you.
Posted on 04/09/2007 5:25:16 PM PDT by areafiftyone
Sez you and the AP. Even NARAL doesn't agree with you.
Unless you have his statements to the contrary, here's what he said:
"Government should stay out of it."
That means that government should neither sanction, nor prohibit.
"No public financing."
Completely in line with his no government involvement position.
"The ultimate decision must be made by the woman."
BY THE WOMAN, not by the Federal government, not by the voters in the State where the woman resides, not by her husband, her parents, or judges. The "ultimate decision" (THE CHOICE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO MURDER HER UNBORN CHILD OR NOT) left to the woman.
"Government should treat its citizens as adults capable of making moral decisions on their own."
Government has no say so in the process leading to the act of aborting an unborn child, it is a moral decision left to the adult citizen. Aditionally, since this is something that the government should have no voice in, then the government CAN'T punish the act of murdering one's unborn child.
Your boy is pro-choice, no matter how you spin it.
Mr. Silverback, you can not be serious. I have never said that, nor have I ever even suggested such a position. I don't consider it to be strength, but simply a sign of honesty whether we agree with his position or not.
I have some high regard for Rudy, but the bottom line is that he thinks that I should have to financially support it when some poor woman decides to have her child ripped limb from limb, and his supporters on this board are trying to pretend that is somehow more conservative [and better for the pro-life cause!] than a guy with a 0% rating from NARAL. Sorry, not buying.
Really? Could you point out how since the late 1970s, and under 18 years of GOP presidential watch - including the Reagan administration - federal funding was eliminated for abortions in cases of rape, incest, and the health of the mother? In fact, the Hyde Amendment explicitly allows for financial support for abortions in those cases.
As an aside and since I just mentioned the issue, I might as well add that Ronald Reagan not only signed the biggest abortion bill at the time, but also signed a major gun control bill during his tenure as Governor of California, and I don't hear anyone calling him an “abortionist” (not that you use that term) and a gun grabber while he was Governor of California.
It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay." link
As California governor, Reagan in 1967 signed one of the most liberal abortion laws in the country, legalizing the procedure in cases where a woman's mental or physical health was at risk. link
Of course, this is not to change the subject, but to emphasize that rhetorical gymnastics and hateful name-calling have been the regular tools of the Rudy opponents on FR, not so much with his supporters.
As for the rest of your post, Luis has already answered you.
By the way, good posts, Luis.
By the same logic, Rudy saying that he is personally opposed to abortion, that he doesn't like it, in fact, he hates it, and would advise women to have an adoption rather than abortion, doesn't make him pro-life in your book, does it?
He is apparently still a pro-choice true believer, and also hasn't learned anything about the 2nd Amendment. I loved him as my mayor. But I cannot support him at this time.
How . . . autobiographical.
May your chains weigh heavily on you, so that you might finally understand the depths of your liberalism.
Reagan converted, or do you deny that too?
Rudy is proud of his pro-abortion, gungrabbing soul.
Of course, you're not looking for good evidence, just any evidence, no matter how ludicrous. Anything that makes Fred look as liberal as you pro-abortion, gun-grabbing boy Rudy, well, that's just fine for you.
How so? You are the one who calls Rudy “gungrabbing,” not me. Can you distingush between one who is a gun grabber, and one who seeks some gun controls (like Reagan)? I don't think so.
Hate is such an awful thing and it usually corrodes the heart of those who harbor it. That's not the case with me.
And may you have a fruitful and happy married life, and may wisdom and kindness grow in your heart.
I never denied it, that's why I made it clear, emphasizing that he did it while he was Governor of California.
He was only in politics for two terms, and has been gone from them for over a decade.
Yet, while he ran, he was widely identified as a pro-choice Republican by his State’s media, and there are NO QUOTES from Fred denying that description.
Fred will make a fine VP for Rudy.
Here's his quote:
"I didn't leave the Democratic Party. My party left me."
Thanks.
Who? Thompson?
Check your facts.
So he held on to the pro-abortion gungrabbing positions of those two bills VD mentioned in 484?
You're just writhing in semantics now.
You should have no trouble providing half a dozen or so of these quotes.
...and there are NO QUOTES from Fred denying that description.
A perfect pro-life voting record defies that description.
So much twisting and tumbling just to drag another candidate into Rudy's pro-abortion gungrabbing gutter. How sad for you.
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